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ActorNightly 2 hours ago

>The technology held by private AI companies is warfare-capable technology.

This is the precisely the response OpenAI is hoping for to raise its valuation, and you fell for it.

Look at it this way - whats the difference between tasking AI to break into something, versus taking a whole bunch of smart humans to do the same? The only difference is that AI is slightly easier to orchestrate.

Prior to AI, there were already a whole bunch of tools to automate exploits. Nothing that the model did is groundbreaking or novel, it was just able to efficiently find the thing that worked. Same thing happens in state sponsored cyber sec agencies like in China or Israel - they train people on the most common exploits and have a whole bunch of tools that automate exploit research and development.

And the reason why this doesn't happen more is because to exploit something is one thing, to do it so there is no trace back to you is a whole different animal that has many more magnitudes of difficulty, which with modern web security is next to impossible in a lot of cases as traffic can easily be traced back to the point of origin.

I.e when a company trains an LLM that manages to build a drone that can fly into a vent and plug in a USB stick into a computer undetected, then we can make the claim that they have a weapon.

On the flip side, most anyone who can run local models can replicate what they did. The key thing to take away from the article is "agentic framework" - i.e this means that they spent a shitload of time developing explicitly coded loops for an LLM to go through. Nothing is really stopping you from doing the same, models like Gemma4 can take 256k tokens of context, so you can give it a whole bunch of info on how to test for exploits, develop exploits, and what to do when the exploit is found, and set it free in a custom designed loop.

notaharvardmba an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It lowers the economic cost of a given attack, but also lowers the economic cost of protection. Not sure if it’ll be a perfect balance, but right now there’s a manufactured IMbalance due to embargos and winner picking.

ActorNightly 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

It lowers the economic cost of performing an attack in the same way a gun lowers the economic cost of killing a person. It does nothing for consequences of that attack.

jvidalv an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you serious? Before LLM’s you needed serious skills and experience to pull this off.

Now it’s a prompt away on some terminal done by any random dud.

And I dont mention the velocity of iteration or that they will be even better in 1 year.

ActorNightly 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Its like you don't even read the post or the content.

Hint: agentic loops.

No its not a prompt away.

verdverm a few seconds ago | parent [-]

Also the harness, there have been several HN submissions showing that older/smaller models can find a subset of the exploits given a good env