My issue is that they're touted to the consumer as secure, and they're not really doing much more than a complex password.

How do you generate a new key if you need one? Same process as a password reset. Does it prevent session stealers? Not at all.

Its "benefit" is grandma can't read it to an attacker. OK, well can grandma click a link and have a session stealer bork her life instead? Yeah, and attackers know that and just shift methods. Session stealing isn't a sophisticated attack, and so all that's being done is shaving a cost on PW resets in the interest of shareholder value, at the cost of security theater and locking up your keys in a single domain that holds control over our access to everything.

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zdp7 2 days ago | parent [-]

There is security value. A passkey will not work anywhere except the actual website. Fake look a like sites can't get the credentials. Evidently they can trick you into authorizing their device.

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harshreality 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

That's also how any good password manager works. You'd have to manually copy-paste the password to get around the same-site fill restriction (whether it's autofill or manual fill).

	▲	zdp7 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Passkeys have an advantage in that the server doesn't have your password and every passkey should be unique.

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thyristan 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure? MitM isn't a new kind of attack, and I'd be surprised if the ball-of-wax-and-javascript that is WebAuthn isn't vulnerable to that...

	▲	zdp7 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		This is one of the key security features of passkeys. I did a little searching and the work around is to do a standard fake website that prompts for your standard credentials. That should be a fairly simple fix. Require access from a new device to be authorized from another source with an explanation that they will never request this info.