This all reminds me about how RealID was vital to secure us from terrorism, and it took 20 years to get it in place... with no significant terrorist actions in that timeframe.

IMHO this level of tracking ain't worth the safety gained. Seems like safety gain is just the excuse at this point.

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whimsicalism 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A national ID system (standard in effectively all European countries) is table stakes for state capacity. I find the RealID opposition baffling.

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eesmith 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The major European exception being the UK, which doesn't issue identity cards and somehow manages. (Apparently Andorra doesn't either.)

You might consider it part of the Anglosphere mentality as Canada, the US, Australia, the Bahamas, and New Zealand don't have national ID.

I've never understood the problem that RealID is supposed to solve.

How is it TSA can accept a Veteran Health Identification Card or photo identification card issued by a federally recognized tribe, and the passports from every country in the world, but not a state-issued ID which is not REAL ID-compliant?

	▲	aboardRat4 17 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		>How is it TSA can accept a Veteran Health Identification Card or photo identification card issued by a federally recognized tribe, and the passports from every country in the world, but not a state-issued ID which is not REAL ID-compliant? They can only accept them before IDs are implemented of course, as a poor substitute. After national id documents are standardised, it's just them, nothing else counts.

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axus 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the US, we like to reduce state capacity. Helps limit the damage bad actors can do when they are in power.

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coldtea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And how's that been working out for you?

Not asking whether "reducing state capacity" helps with that. Asking how's that "reducing" going.

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anticensor 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except such a federal ID already exists: the Passport Card. Make it free to obtain and mandatory to use.

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mothballed 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Passport card can be revoked over fairly small amounts of late child support which applies to a surprisingly large portion of America, particularly historically oppressed minorities. It would be quite foolish to rely on that for identification if you have children as a simple divorce could put you in instant arrears and cause you to lose your ID.

	▲	aboardRat4 12 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		>Passport card can be revoked over fairly small amounts of late child support This is clearly ridiculous and not in any way connected to the reason passports exist. It's just purely bureaucratic tyranny. Even the stated goal of "preventing people from running away to other countries" doesn't work, because the USA doesn't have border service check the passport _on leaving_ the country.

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dpark 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This seems deeply delusional at this point.

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markdown 12 hours ago | parent [-]

As delusional as thinking the 2nd amendment will help "limit the damage bad actors can do when they are in power".

	▲	whimsicalism 40 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		no, it’s actually the same delusion as that one

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redsocksfan45 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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matchstickman23 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not to mention that to get around RealID with flights, you just have to pay $45 and you're good to go. Since we all know that bad actors don't have access to that sort of money...

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cramer4next 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Can you expand on this? How can you board a flight without realID for $45?

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tjbrock 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Have you been to an airport yet since it became mandatory? They actually have signs around stating it. I had similar thoughts as the GP about that.

	▲	cramer4next 18 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Not for roughly the last 6 months. I have been using my passport because my old drivers license doesn't expire until next year. I'll have to look closer or read the signs then. Just never noticed that.

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eesmith 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is called "TSA ConfirmID". https://www.tsa.gov/tsaconfirm-id

"If you are unable to provide the required acceptable ID, such as a passport or REAL ID, you can pay a $45 fee to use TSA ConfirmID. TSA will then attempt to verify your identity so you can go through security; however, there is no guarantee TSA can do so."

From https://thepointsguy.com/news/tsa-security-with-confirmid/ :

"TSA agents pull you aside for secondary screenings and to verify your identity. ... After looking me up in his system, [the supervisor] asked me a series of questions only I could answer (previous addresses and that sort of thing)."

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cco 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And also according to the DHS is apparently now insufficient to prove citizenship to vote, i.e. goal posts moved.

	▲	arjie 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Is your RealID different? I’ve had one for ages and am not a US citizen. I can’t see how it could be proof of citizenship if I, a non-citizen, has one.

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dataflow a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Edit: sorry, I misunderstood the post.

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moomin a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think a better way of describing it would be, someone broke into your house. The police said they'd patrol it, but it would take 20 years to set up. In those 20 years, no-one broke into your house. You might suspect they had other reasons for wanting to patrol outside your house.

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continuational a day ago | parent | prev [-]

The parent post is saying that the officer didn't show up for 20 years, with no burglaries in your neighborhood in between.

	▲	iinnPP a day ago \| parent [-]
		Unmentioned is the effect of having officers watch your home the entire time. Which is the tradeoff not worth the hassle for everyone.