People have gotten sick of the constant virtue-signaling.

That would suggest a fundamental difference in practical ethics between the two cultures.

It sounds like people over there in America don’t do things because they enjoy doing them or because they’re convinced that those are the right things to do, but rather they do them to impress others or improve their social standing.

It doesn’t sound right to me, I mean a culture can’t be so totally obsessed with the self.

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drivingmenuts 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> It doesn’t sound right to me, I mean a culture can’t be so totally obsessed with the self.

One of our (the US) early political mottoes is "Don't Tread On Me" and it has a flag.

And, yes, we can be and to varying degrees, are. Which is why we can't get along with ourselves very well, much less everyone else.

We're tetchy.

	▲	kubb 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Right, but that would mean the „Don’t tread on me” motto is also a type of persona assumed (like veganism) by people who like being perceived as tough and unruly because that’s respected. (I guess „persona” would be a better word for it than „the self”.)

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InsideOutSanta 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you've pinpointed the reason, although unintentionally: the US is so focused on culture wars that people can't visibly follow a vegan diet without being attacked for it.

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maxerickson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your comment demonstrates the uselessness of the concept by doing the thing it is sick of.

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mold_aid 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, people in the US definitely have trouble with virtue.

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Leonard_of_Q 8 hours ago | parent [-]

You forgot 'signalling' which is what people in the West - not just the USA - are tired of. I know I am tired of it and I'm neither an American nor in the USA.

Stating that a whole country has problems with virtue is rather stigmatising and something you'd complain about if it were about any country in what some have taken to call the "global South".

	▲	mold_aid 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		>is rather stigmatising Oh you went with the "rather" instead of the "quite" that's interesting. Anyway if vegans want to say "I am vegan" you'd profit from taking just a second to ask yourself why you get reflexively pissy about it.
	▲	constantius 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The sibling comment has more eloquent advice, but I'll add that you're neck deep in an echo chamber if that's how you react. Being vegan, mentioning that a country is difficult to live in as a vegan, in a thread about veganism, is not about signaling. Ask the next vegan who'd been to a Global South country instead of imagining people in your head: if it was a pain, they'll say it was a pain, there is no commentary about virtue in there.

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PeterHolzwarth 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And then they get un-sick of it. Fads come and go, constantly re-inventing themselves and getting rediscovered.