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mold_aid a day ago

Yes, people in the US definitely have trouble with virtue.

Leonard_of_Q a day ago | parent [-]

You forgot 'signalling' which is what people in the West - not just the USA - are tired of. I know I am tired of it and I'm neither an American nor in the USA.

Stating that a whole country has problems with virtue is rather stigmatising and something you'd complain about if it were about any country in what some have taken to call the "global South".

customguy 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> You forgot 'signalling' which is what people in the West - not just the USA - are tired of.

No, that's implicit. If I'm tired of rock music, that mostly comes into play when I'm exposed to it in some way.

> Stating that a whole country has problems with virtue is rather stigmatising

Speaking of, someone expressing their virtue -- and caring for the well being of sentient beings simply is, it's a capacity, and it annoys the people who lack it, because it raises the question why they lack it -- isn't automatically them "signalling" anything. That's just an attempt to stigmatise it.

recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48922972

If we don't have empathy with victims of that, who cares what we are "tired of"? We can torture animals, but don't stigmatise us, and don't talk about how you try to avoid feeding the systems that lead to animals being tortured. You can talk about how much you like your other new hobbies, but not this one. You cannot even wear a pin. Because we're so tired and you're so oppressive, with your virtue and your signals. Have empathy with my fear of empathy, basically.

I'm not even vegetarian but I'm more tired of that than them, because it's both evil and stupid, and projects that on vegans.

> something you'd complain about if it were about any country in what some have taken to call the "global South".

Many things play into this. One is the hesitation to punch down versus a superpower that spent many, many millions to signal, to broadcast, their virtue into the whole world for decades.

userbinator 16 hours ago | parent [-]

If we don't have empathy with victims of that

Classic suicidal empathy. What's next, crying about the billions of bacteria people kill every day? It's fucking idiotic.

customguy 16 hours ago | parent [-]

> > If we don't have empathy with victims of that

> Classic suicidal empathy.

What is? You didn't even quote a full sentence, you're basically just freaking out over the word empathy.

And interestingly, what you failed to even try to parse says the opposite. I do NOT have empathy with those who don't have empathy with others. I'm not "crying", you kinda are.

userbinator 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm referring to anyone who whines about "animal rights".

customguy an hour ago | parent [-]

With what? You cannot even say WHAT is supposed to be "classic suicidal empathy". You made no point, you just demonstrated distress over the word "empathy" that seems to be so big you cannot even express what your issue is.

mold_aid a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>is rather stigmatising

Oh you went with the "rather" instead of the "quite" that's interesting. Anyway if vegans want to say "I am vegan" you'd profit from taking just a second to ask yourself why you get reflexively pissy about it.

constantius a day ago | parent | prev [-]

The sibling comment has more eloquent advice, but I'll add that you're neck deep in an echo chamber if that's how you react. Being vegan, mentioning that a country is difficult to live in as a vegan, in a thread about veganism, is not about signaling. Ask the next vegan who'd been to a Global South country instead of imagining people in your head: if it was a pain, they'll say it was a pain, there is no commentary about virtue in there.