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FAA lets Boeing sign off on 737 MAX, 787 airworthiness certificates again(cnbc.com)
41 points by hmm37 an hour ago | 12 comments
markasoftware 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

A little off topic, but: by letting US frontier ai labs be responsible for safety checking their models, we're making the same mistake that the FAA made by delegating safety certificates to boeing. Even if ai companies and Boeing have an incentive to keep their products safe, they're balancing it against a profit motive and any single individual at the company will probably benefit more from getting shit done rather than slowing down for safety sake. Even if anthropic is doing a good job at safety right now (just as Boeing presumably was being responsible with their self-certifications at some point) letting a private corp be responsible for any kind of public safety is a structural problem.

bushido 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The 737 has had 14 major recertifications. The aircraft today looks/behaves nothing like the original from the 1960s.

The main motivation for recertifications comes from commercial pressure where if a aircraft is given a new number and not recertified, then the pilots have to be retrained.

Honestly, back when the 737 MAX debacle happened, a lot of consumers claimed that they would stop flying aircrafts if they ran into 737 MAXs. And I don't think it happened in enough numbers - or even enough to make news. Sales went through the roof, everything kept working.

Recertifications are very common. The issue really is is the aircraft is AS different and untested as the old MAXs, and I really can't see that happening again in the next decade or two atleast.

brikym a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All I read is that the US govt signs on off US export. I'd be surprised if there was not pressure on FAA to lower the bar.

cebert 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is absolutely frightening.

cucumber3732842 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

If the FAA is this captured/incapable imagine how bad the other agencies are...

shevy-java 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Until the next mass crash ...

UltraSane 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The EU should refuse to allow such planes to enter their airspace.

greatgib 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Totally insane. Repeating the same errors as in the past and hoping for a better outcome... Only corruption can explain that...

bob001 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

Let's see if the EU shows some backbone or not.

shevy-java 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

The EU is like a tiger - without teeth, fur or claws. I think the only thing that works here is total boycott of airplanes that constantly unalive people through mass crashes. (Wikipedia really gathers useful data here in a simple-to-read manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...)

freeone3000 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You can and should say the word “kill”.

worik 3 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting analogy, maybe a house cat?

I think a better analogy is "The EU is like a lumbering elephant. You can steer it, but only if you know how. Otherwise it just keeps on lumbering"

Airbus was a bureaucrats wet dream, and by modern Biz Bro standards should never have got off the ground.

Now it rules the skies. Boeing, having drunk the financial Kool Aid is wilting

Tortoise and the hare?