| ▲ | bix6 4 hours ago |
| Predictions on who wins? Does Apple actually have a winnable case or are they just throwing a wrench in things? |
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| ▲ | jasode 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| >Does Apple actually have a winnable case Based on the previous thread, Apple seems to have damning evidence of wrongdoing by the (ex)employees before-and-after they left their positions at Apple: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48865019 Seems very similar to Google/Waymo winning its case against Uber (ex-Googler Anthony Levandowski) stealing corporate data. Apple has the employees' emails history, the server access logs, etc. Really don't see Apple pursuing this unless they had a mountain of evidence against them. |
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| ▲ | ksec 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Generally speaking, I think Apple tends to win on anything related to ex-employees. I am not sure if this is normal across Big-Tech. But surely is for Apple. Depending on what is at stake. Example the one with Nuvia and Qualcomm I believe they just settled. |
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| ▲ | rancar2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Oh the irony if Apple can get a larger OpenAI stake than Microsoft. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don’t think Cupertino will settle for stock. I think they’ll demand cash and an agreement that OpenAI abandon or reboot their hardware project. In the meantime, Apple gets an open kimono into everything OpenAI has planned. This could actually be the fuckup that kills OpenAI as an independent company. The threat of a cash judgement gums up not only an IPO, but also debt-based fundraising. (We equity guys are idiots, so we’ll probably keep writing cheques until the market turns.) | | |
| ▲ | an0malous 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > This could actually be the fuckup that kills OpenAI as an independent company. I wonder if they’ll be the Lehman Brothers of this bubble |
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| ▲ | MichaelZuo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It would be very strange for Apple’s legal department to send out formal letters filled with claims on a lark. |
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| ▲ | nba456_ 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not really, just slowing down a potential competitor could still be worth it. | | |
| ▲ | steve1977 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think they would consider OpenAI a potential competitor, unless OpenAI has trade secrets of Apple. | |
| ▲ | gsibble 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's never been Apple's playbook with lawsuits at least. |
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| ▲ | moralestapia 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Apple is not the company that makes this sort of thing just for fun. Also, they don't have a directly competing business with OpenAI, so slander doesn't make sense. I think this is genuine. |
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| ▲ | nojito 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Both parties will just settle. Apple already caught former employees accessing the Apple internal network with unreturned laptops after termination that’s pretty much game over. |
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| ▲ | smith7018 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why would Apple settle? They probably want the same outcomes of the Waymo v Uber trial that forced Uber out of the market. Apple's accusations imply that every part of OpenAI's hardware effort has been tainted with Apple's trade secrets and is therefore illegitimate. They also have more money than God so they can keep the suit going as long as they want. | | |
| ▲ | xp84 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | This is an interesting point here. Due to having infinite money already, that's a possible dynamic we might see. OAI admits "Yup, obviously you got us. Let's write a check." And Apple might just respond "Nah, we are obviously going to win at trial, the legal fees don't bother us a bit, and honestly we don't really need the money, we'd rather destroy you as heavily as possible, for some combination of making an example out of all the criminals involved, plus there's a tiny chance you could threaten us someday considering you hired 'our boy' Jony Ive to build hardware." | |
| ▲ | compiler-guy 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They will just settle if a settlement gets them what they want for less than fighting this to legal completion would cost them (on a risk-adjusted basis). | |
| ▲ | staticman2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Uber was not forced to leave the self driving car market by Waymo's litigation. The litigation ended in February 2018 and Uber left the market in December 2020. | | |
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