| ▲ | monksy 6 hours ago | |||||||
We're running into situations where the usage of smart phones and apps are becoming mandatory for using services. For example: The UK has a digital ID requirement which is required for you to be employed in the UK. Additionally the EU digital identity services have a hardware/software attestitation that is required to run their apps. (Many of those which 3rd party software can't run). Another example of this is the Australian eTA - (Everyone has to have a visa to visit Australia.. but the real only way to get a visa* is you have to get an electronic travel authorization which only works via an App) https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... Apps that ban graphene-os being used: | ||||||||
| ▲ | subscribed 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
> The UK has a digital ID requirement which is required for you to be employed in the UK. That's untrue. There was a strong push towards the digital ID from the current administration, but it was abandoned 6 months ago. What you likely mixed up with digital ID is the old digital visa scheme, mandatory for all non-UK citizens to prove right to work. Re: your app list: looks a little bit eclectic, so it's worth mentioning most of the apps don't ban GoS specifically, but enforce Google play strong or device integrity pass, which GoS doesn't pass. Some trip on some exploit protections, like secure app spawning, but these can be turned off per app in the latest releases based on Android 17. | ||||||||
| ▲ | anonzzzies 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
GrapheneOS and others should have lobbyists or rather lawyers and lawmakers to fight for using secure systems to mandatory be allowed for these. Sure, there must be some type of OS guarantee, but that should not be exclusive to Google and Apple. And indeed browsers with otp/authn devices (not one per service but yubi/thetis type of thing as those can be made sovereign for a large part); when an OS is not allowed, the browser and app should be mandatory allowed with such a device as that is, actually, more secure than the original device as it is an external encryption and encryption key source the hacker cannot reach. | ||||||||
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| ▲ | gib444 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
> The UK has a digital ID requirement which is required for you to be employed in the UK. False In fact I can't think of a single Government service or legal requirement that requires a smartphone in the UK. In the past year I have applied for a passport, applied for benefits, opened a bank account, passed through border control, filed a company tax return, closed down a business, helped someone else claim for benefits, made police reports, filed a case with the small claims court, paid my council tax, received an incone tax refund, travelled on public transport extensively, hired a car. All had alternatives as far as I can recall. Quite a few were done online just with a computer and optionally a phone number And based on prior discussions here I have to point out that "require" doesn't mean "ok but the alternative is kind of inconvenient" | ||||||||
| ▲ | z3t4 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
This sucks. The solution is to buy the cheepest iPhone and use it just for the goverment services. | ||||||||
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