| ▲ | tancop 7 hours ago |
| this is amazing. if i had a mac i would try to reverse engineer the code, extract the weights and port it to something that works on linux/windows like torch or burn. then put the code on github and weights on a torrent site. lifes too short to let apple keep their models exclusive. |
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| ▲ | ks2048 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Probably not worth the effort (or legal trouble), unless you can show it's better than other recent open models like Cohere Transcribe. |
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| ▲ | kridsdale1 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is that copyright infringement? |
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| ▲ | nodja 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This hasn't been tested in court. But there's a high chance that model weights are not copyrightable, only the code to generate them is. Cloud models are usually protected by trade secret laws, leaking them would get you in trouble. However if the model is made available publicly, as long as you don't break the law to get them, anything after that would be fair game unless Apple can prove that humans have significant authorship over the weights, which hasn't been tested and is a significant burden to prove/disprove. | |
| ▲ | layer8 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Copyright protects original forms of expression, not arbitrary data. It is very arguable whether it applies to model weights. However, it would likely constitute a license violation. |
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| ▲ | altmanaltman 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Aside from the legality of it, I think you are underestimating how complex it can be to do that. It is possible in theory but not something that will be a fun side quest like you are making it seem. |
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| ▲ | johncoatesdev 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | With a IDA Pro decompiler license & MCP server, paired with Codex/Claude Code... it would be a fun side quest. | | |
| ▲ | edude03 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | You likely don't need to disassemble the inference code, the weights are "just an array of numbers" in MLX format. | | |
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| ▲ | bilbo0s 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This. The Jedi Hand Wave-y nature of the way people talk about AI these days is going to make reigning in the AI superpowers nearly impossible. Because there are people out here who believe models of this quality are easily replicated or reverse engineered. Neither is really doable on any reasonable timeline by people who are not AI experts. Real AI experts. Not TF/PyTorch monkeys or Agent Slop Slingers. And those people are already highly incentivized to not make anything performing better than SOTA models open source. | |
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