| ▲ | spicymaki 8 hours ago |
| I am genuinely fascinated by this. I don’t like piling on especially with security vulnerabilities, but man how many red flags do you need to ignore? They won’t stop abusing us until we stop using their products. |
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| ▲ | zelphirkalt 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Lazy or incapable people will do almost anything once it is normalized behavior, which vibe coding has become, to avoid having to do actual work. Even if there were cryptominers running, eating up 80% of their cores and stealing electricity, they would still let it happen. It's not their money or hardware being spent. |
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| ▲ | MisterTea 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > They won’t stop abusing us until we stop using their products. I don't use AI at all in my daily life. Work however will demand you use it. AI is not here to help people. |
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| ▲ | flexagoon 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not gonna argue about the utility of AI, but isn't the statement "AI is not here to help people" completely meaningless? AI itself is not "here" for anything; the problem is big tech doing big tech shit as always, not the current technology they're doing it with. | | |
| ▲ | coldtea 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Doesn't matter. Big tech is not changing anytime soon. So if we see AI, we shouldn't see as some random tool, but as something in their hands. |
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| ▲ | CamperBob2 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nothing about this has anything to do with AI. It has to do with Musk's ethical and engineering standards, or the lack thereof. | | |
| ▲ | otabdeveloper4 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | AI is created by big tech stealing other people's data. Yes, this has everything to do with AI - stealing data is a foundational feature of the technology. | | |
| ▲ | shuwix 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's more about billions at stake and the nature of AI business.
You either score big, or go belly up with diminishing funding. | | |
| ▲ | munk-a 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well let's be fair here - you either go belly up with diminishing funding or get bailed out (maybe by the government, maybe by private funds that themselves expect to be bailed out by the government). There currently is no path towards profitability, it's just a question of whether you can grab funding before it dries up. |
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| ▲ | stronglikedan 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | anderber 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | By this standard, you should never trust a directory. Since it will push your env secrets. | | |
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| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > AI is not here to help people. True, but it isn't here to not help people, either. It's a spanner. Who wields the spanner, makes all the difference. We've spent the last couple of decades, cultivating a huge crop of ultimate scumbag billionaires, with comically exaggerated sociopathy, and that has filtered down to almost every level of society. They are treated as gods, these days (they certainly think of themselves that way). It still shocks me (but really shouldn't), on a daily basis, to encounter regular folks, interacting in stores and restaurants, or driving on roads, that mirror the values systems exemplified by our billionaires. Our politicians act that way, and one of their biggest selling points, is normalizing sociopathy (not just the US, either). | | |
| ▲ | zelphirkalt 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly. I couldn't have said it better. I hope I will still live to see the pitchforks coming out and taking all of this crap down, but I fear it might be longer than a lifetime, before we rid ourselves of these parasites. | |
| ▲ | Groxx 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a spanner where every quarter turn costs noticeable money. Which directly funds behavior like this. The tool analogy is intentionally minimizing, and doesn't capture just how different rented tools with constant surveillance are. | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Doesn’t absolve the spanner-wielder from responsibility, though. We live in an age, where the mere thought of personal Responsibility is terrifying. | | |
| ▲ | Groxx 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, I mean it in the sense that the spanner itself and who the spanner funnels money to is so bad that anyone using it has automatically accepted themselves being that bad. Unlike most tools (which the tool analogy leans on heavily), it's very much not an impartial tool, there is no such thing as "using it responsibly" when you're paying Musk. |
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| ▲ | sylos 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wasn't ai introduced so replace people? It's not the spanner, it's the car and we're the horses | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nah. It was introduced to push tech, but if you're a billionaire, then it was introduced to make you richer. They don't especially care, whether or not that involves replacing people. Replacing people is what C-suiters think of it (and many of them aren't billionaires). |
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| ▲ | CamperBob2 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I think my first clue was when their CEO hired a bunch of teenage hackers to sack the government and exfiltrate all our data. I didn't really need a second clue. |
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| ▲ | DaiPlusPlus 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My first clue was when he libelled the diver during the Thailand thing in 2018; it was all downhill from there. ...it was quite the sting because I bought a Tesla car only 2 weeks prior to that. | |
| ▲ | cliglot 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The first clue should have been when all the Silicon Valley CEO’s lined up to kiss the ring after the second Trump victory. Remember it wasn’t that long before that “woke” tech companies were derided and accused by the same factions they suddenly found themselves in good standing with. There were entire pushes regarding section 230, etc. to go against social media companies, constant complaints about “Facebook” jails and shadow banning. Now they’re all buddy buddy. Anyway, ghouls like Thiel are now a well known name among populist left and right as an enemy, so maybe some good may come from this. | | |
| ▲ | grim_io 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I mean, do people expect companies to protect them from a tyrant they themselves elected? Not necessarily speaking of the present. This seems to be the general sentiment. | | |
| ▲ | afavour 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | If the tyrant goes against established law, yes. (an aside but the majority of the US population didn't elect Trump. He is in office because of the electoral college. Might seem like a distinction without a difference but I think it matters when we're implying personal culpability) | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | No. First term he lost the popular vote, second term he won it. If you just mean a majority of eligible voters did not vote for Trump, that’s true for every US President in my lifetime. |
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| ▲ | 27183 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not a subtle pattern. | |
| ▲ | bckr 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most people don’t know about that because they live in an information bubble handcrafted by the oligarchs. |
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