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thegrim33 3 hours ago

They chose to add the word "guzzle". They could have just written "Irish datacenters now use 23% of the country's electricity". But they made the editorial decision to add in "guzzle". What's the word for this type of propaganda, where they add in some sort of adjective that wasn't needed, in order to prime the reader on how to think/feel, rather than just objectively reporting the facts? What are the odds that the content of the article is objective and factual, given the decisions they made with the headline?

coldtea 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>What's the word for this type of propaganda, where they add in some sort of adjective that wasn't needed, in order to prime the reader on how to think/feel, rather than just objectively reporting the facts?

It's called an editorial.

It's not supposed to be a mere report, concerned with respecting any random person's feeling about how all electricity consumption is equally valid and should be equally respected.

kevinpet 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Editorials are a thing. This is not an editorial. It's structured as a news report.

zdragnar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is The Register we're talking about. Of course it is heavily editorialized, that's half their schtick.

hunterpayne 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Credibility is a thing. Articles like this burn it quite quickly. It really is past time that the scientific community needs to make a public statement rejecting these types of "journalists".

coldtea an hour ago | parent [-]

The scientific community has burned a lot of credibility itself to make any kind of statement to that effect.

hunterpayne 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's the thing, the popular impression is that this is the case. But if you read what scientists actually wrote/said you would realize that what science says and what activists and journalists claim science says are quite different. That's why its almost impossible for a journalist to get a quote from a scientists on this topic anymore. Its also why there are almost no scientists who are members of "green" political entities (eg Sierra Club) anymore. Did you see a quote from a scientist in this article? When was the last time you saw one?

defrost 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Did you see a quote from a scientist in this article?

The article cited the latest figures from Ireland's Central Statistics Office (CSO).

There's little need here for Niels Bohr or a bleeding edge virologist to lean in on annual summary stats on civil infrastructure usage.

hunterpayne a few seconds ago | parent [-]

Those are not scientists. They also compute GDP.

fc417fc802 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's called a value judgment and an emotionally charged tone. That's certainly a form of editorial but IMO not the good kind. If an outlet seeks to advocate for a cause it ought to do so in a well reasoned manner and with a professional tone.

beepbooptheory 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Can you link to any examples of a good editorial by this measure?

kazinator 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They could have just written "Irish datacenters now use 23% of the country's electricity".

That's objectively described by "guzzle".

fabian2k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Journalism is allowed to have an opinion, that doesn't make it propaganda.

Kon5ole an hour ago | parent | next [-]

>Journalism is allowed to have an opinion, that doesn't make it propaganda.

How do you figure? Surely it becomes propaganda for the opinion?

Journalists are not supposed to let opinions show in their reporting, that’s why editorials exist.

keane an hour ago | parent [-]

“I have given up on American journalism. The decline of the American press has long been obvious, and my time is too valuable to waste in an effort to supply the ‘man in the street’ with his daily quota of clichés, gossip, and erotic tripe. There is another concept of journalism, which you may or may not be familiar with. It’s engraved on a bronze plaque on the southeast corner of the Times Tower in New York City.”

—Hunter Thompson, letter to William Kennedy, 1959

“An institution that should always fight for progress and reform, never tolerate injustice or corruption, always fight demagogues of all parties, never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty.”

—Joseph Pulitzer, New York World mission statement, May 10, 1883, quote appears on The New York Times bronze plaque

peab 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

there's an unnatural amount of doomerism against datacenters, of exactly this kind. It's pretty obviously astroturfed.

kridsdale3 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In case you didn't know, The Register has been deliberately using this kind of language about ALL topics for nearly 30 years. It's part of their appeal and brand, like The Onion. People choose to read The Register because they have this adversarial stance and humorous tone about tech.

vkou 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The vast majority of the pro-datacenter 'externalities don't matter as long as I make money' is also pretty obviously astroturfed.

The difference is that much of the communication on that end happens in backchannels, directly with the regulators, in secret meetings, without any possibility of public scrutiny.

(When that isn't enough, the firehose of paid advertisements gets fired up to convince the public, instead.)

hunterpayne an hour ago | parent [-]

The vast majority of the anti-datacenter movement is funded by the CCP. That's why it is so lacking in facts. Most datacenters use closed loop cooling. That means it doesn't consume water for anything more than the toilets and water fountains. Yet this talking point pops up in almost every article on the topic. Part of the reason you are seeing closed door meetings now is because leaders know that the public is profoundly misinformed on this topic. It doesn't help when AOC is waving a jar of dirty water as if it is proof of something.

vkou 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Most data centers do not use closed loop cooling.

They all have a closed cooling loop, but almost all of them cool the exterior condensers with an open cooling loop.

Which draws from the watermain, sprays water on the hot condensers, the water evaporates, cooling the condensers. This is done to reduce their electric bills, because condensers operate more efficiently when they are cold.

The fully closed-loop data center, with air-cooled condensers is the exception, not the rule. Because it sucks even more electricity than a regular one, due to its less-efficient cooling.

You are spreading falsehoods, while also accusing people who are factually accurate of being foreign propaganda mouthpieces. This is at best, ironic and jingoistic, and at worst...

cindyllm an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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hunterpayne an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That opinion should be informed by facts and data. This opinion isn't really informed by anything except scientifically illiterate propaganda. That's the problem. Journalists larping as experts in something that they have absolutely no expertise or even the basic scientific background to understand. The amount of misinformation on topics surrounding energy generation is absolutely criminal and journalists are far and away the biggest spreaders of misinformation on this topic. If I could, I would make a journalist without scientific or engineering credentials talking about this topic a felony on par with murder. After all, they are causing significant amounts of misery in the 3rd world with their lies.

zzgo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is The Register known for objectively reporting facts? If so, I have fundamentally misunderstood it for a quarter century.

JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> objectively reporting facts?

I believe so. They're not known for neutrally reporting them, which is different.

antonvs 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Do Ireland's data centers objectively "guzzle" electricity?

I don't have any problem with The Register, but reporting laden with value-judging adjectives is not objective.

teamonkey 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Objectively, yes. It means to consume excessive or plentiful amounts of something, and 23% of Ireland’s electricity generation capability is objectively an excessive and plentiful amount.

hunterpayne an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Objectively no, 23% of nothing is nothing. Ireland has no industry. Their grid is smaller than a major city's grid. That this is 23% says a lot more about the size of the Irish grid and their lack of industry than it does about how much energy a datacenter uses.

antonvs an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The characterization as “excessive” is subjective. If you disagree, what are your objective criteria for making that claim? You fundamentally can’t give a correct answer to that, because it requires defining a threshold, and that’s subjective.

If people seriously think claims like this are “objective”, I weep for our collective understanding of reality.

alephnerd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They basically re-report press releases. I've dealt with The Register as well as their sister publications back when I was still in product (especially during shudder RSA).

The Reg keeps a snarky tone, but immediately becomes deferential once a vendor begins a content campaign with them.

They also operated a bot account on HN for years that was spamming Register articles for almost 3 years and accumulated 66K karma until I and a couple others complained about it.

hinkley an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I haven't found a single source of Irish power mix over time but what I did find suggests that the amount of renewable power in Ireland has been spiking aggressively in recent years. I see something like 15% in 2024 from one source and >40% in 2026 from another. One chart (which I just found reproduced on wikipedia) of wind power is going up at like 600 GWh per year.

anigbrowl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Register is famous for its jaundiced takes, which are a mix of journalistic cynicism and parody of the febrile language of the UK tabloid press. You are not meant to take it at face value.

mikestew an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

First time reading The Register, is it? Because I would expect no less from such a pillar of journalism as them.

egypturnash 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I see you've never read The Register before. Their whole value proposition is "here is computing news from cynical, snarky viewpoint". Their motto "Biting the hand that feeds IT" has vanished from the masthead but it's still in their footer.

ralusek 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Guess if people who write articles like LLMs

toomuchtodo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Unwanted industrial users consuming over 1/5th Ireland's electricity."

(Ireland has challenges getting enough renewable energy to the island, as well as connecting the northern and southern parts with transmission due to local citizens not friendly to the need for transmission infra; data centers do not belong in Ireland, build them in countries in Europe that have excess clean energy, Spain and France specifically, and eat any latency as unavoidable)

trollbridge 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, but Ireland has a looser regulatory environment where it’s easier for a data centre operator to buy off the relevant government regulators.

hunterpayne 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Which is most of Ireland's economy. I am fine with pulling the plug on them. They are not. I mean, who wants to lose 2/3rd of their GDP overnight?

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alephnerd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> data centers do not belong in Ireland...

Data Centers have been the cornerstone of Ireland's economy since the mid-2000s when the IDA began wooing tech FDI specifically by calling out data center expansion opportunities within the EU [0].

Also, if Europeans actually wish to have a sovereign tech industry, they need domestic compute capacity.

Complaining about American tech dependency and then immediately complaining about steps to build EU tech sovereignty is literally a contradiction.

[0] - https://www.siliconrepublic.com/science/ireland-has-the-pote...

bgun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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arcticfox 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Lol the word guzzle in this context is just objectively spin. It's fine, especially because it's so transparent, but it only takes reading 4 words to know the position of the article on the situation.

coldtea 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I find that the word guzzle is dead accurate.

They consume a huge amount of the country's electricity not only for no clear benefit to society, but mostly for making it worse, with more social media posts, stupid videos, surveillance, advertising-led consumption, ai slop

As compared to productive uses, like lighting, food preservation, home warming, medical use, transport, and useful manufacturing.

fc417fc802 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Did they pay market rate? Are they negatively affecting the other consumers through some unpriced externality? If they're such a burden then why is the government tolerating them?

serf 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it's dead accurate for you because it aligns with your ideas on the subject.

if it had been for defense or some other such thing the media outlet wanted to celebrate it'd have been worded "Our defense apparatus sips only 23% of the country's power!"

tl;dr : accuracy isn't what aligns to personal interests, and journalists who choose to use language like this are (generally speaking) disinterested in accuracy and honesty as top priorities.

coldtea an hour ago | parent [-]

Accurate is what reflects reality. Reality isn't neutral. Some things are bad, and worsen society, and others are good.

"Neutral reporting" presents a false equivalence between different options that seldom are equal.

And of course itself is based on an "idea on the subject": that the role of reporting is to have no values aside from information transmission.

The specific objection is even more bizarre: yes, if it was for something else it would have been worded differently. That's like there being a car accident described as "tragic" and someone objecting that if it was a wedding or a sports win that had happened instead they'd have described them as positive. Sure. Because they're different things.

JuniperMesos 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This post is propaganda for exactly the same cause that The Register article is propaganda for.

fc417fc802 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Someone expressing frustration at emotionally charged headlines that clearly intend to rile people up is propaganda? Absurd.

EA-3167 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's the cause?