It's quite obnoxious. I asked if brown rice left in the fridge for a couple days–originally put in for use in fried rices–was still safe. Fable decided I'm trying to produce biotoxins. Which, ironically, prompted me to learn how to produce Bacillus cereus at home [1].

I paid for a year but am going back to Kagi's multi-model system [2].

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7913059/ Don't Do It

[2] https://assistant.kagi.com

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nozzlegear 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I paid for a year but am going back to Kagi's multi-model system [2].

I've been using DuckDuckGo's multi-model service for my "ask an AI random questions" needs. I was already paying them and discovered this LLM thing is part of my subscription. Works pretty well and has privacy guarantees I'd expect out of DDG, though I think they've been tightening the usage you can get out of it recently.

I'll have to try Kagi if DDG gets much tighter.

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BlueGh0st 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I use them frequently but I'm skeptical of their "private" claims.

I asked one of the DDG ChatGPT bots about some error output from a program and apparently forgot to redact a URL. I found the DDG bot trying to access it about half an hour later. It was a long and randomly generated alpha-numeric subdomain and the conversation never discussed the URL or anything related to it- it was simply buried in the pasted error output. I think this was even before the DGG bots had web search capability. I was thoroughly spooked.

	▲	gunalx 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Interresting, Have you done any Møre testing trying to trigger this behaviour? If it is semi konsistent or even just alone it makes a god case to switch.

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nolok 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

(he, in this case, would not be the llm but the people over it)

I find those kind of limitation very dystopian and way more dangerous than the threat they claim to fight against.

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CamouflagedKiwi 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Alpha Centauri was such a fantastic game. And even though it encourages you to move forward with technology, the tone has this unease about what you're doing. There's a lot to be learned from it.

	▲	nolok 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Between Yang, Zakharov and Miriam the whole unease aspect of tech progress goes to 11. Absolute gem of a game.

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klipklop 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I often use this quote. One of my favorite of all times. Really cool to see somebody else use it! Every year that passes the more important that quote becomes.

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matheusmoreira 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anthropic literally thinks they are uplifting people with Claude. As though you're some kind of caveman who just discovered fire while they're on the Enterprise.

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skybrian 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Businesses are usually allowed to refuse service: "Sorry, we're closed" or "sir, this is a Wendy's." There's nothing dystopian about that.

But it's a rather annoying service if the customer can't predict in advance what sort of tasks they're willing to take on. You should have some idea about what they're normally willing to do for you.

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nolok 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I do not disagree with business deciding to only provide the service they want, I am not talking about the AI business themselves, I am thinking about the people who think we should remove pages from knowledge book.

Whether the book takes the form of an llm or an online website or a printed book is merely implementation details.

	▲	jiggawatts 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> people who think we should remove pages from knowledge book. "No knowledge in Kamar-Taj is forbidden. Only certain practices." You reminded me of that quote from the Doctor Strange movie. Even the most "dangerous" knowledge can be life-saving, depending on the circumstances. When I was a teenager, I read the Terrorist's Handbook, which was a text file circulating on bulletin boards. After 9/11 it vanished, because posession was considered a crime in some jurisdictions. Knowing how to build a bomb is useless and/or dangerous in civilian life. Ask a Ukrainian if it is useful knowledge! Knowing all about nuclear weapons doesn't mean you're going to blow up a city. But if someone else does, then you'll have the knowledge needed to avoid the worst of the radiation and maybe survive.

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ronsor 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think no one objects to the refusals in the abstract but rather to the inconsistencies and the presentation. You don't know what request might be refused or downgraded. You do know that the marketing copy and CEO's words present it as being for your own good (or the good of society) instead of plainly stated as a business policy based on business or personal concerns. These aspects are what make it grating and yes, potentially dystopian.

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vkou 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> There's nothing dystopian about that.

It'll be dystopian when that'll become your only source of information, and we're working on getting there. If you want to be horrified, look at what students (in school and post-secondary) are doing these days.

It's insane to offload your thinking and knowledge to a machine owned by other people, but you have to if you want to keep up with the rat race.

	▲	skybrian 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It’s probably a good idea to know how to use AI tools, but they certainly don’t have to be your only source of information.

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matheusmoreira 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I cancelled my subscription because of the obnoxious "safety classifers" as well. Will switch to OpenAI next month. I don't ever want to hear about Anthropic's patronizing safety nonsense ever again.