A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. Any enterprise that endorses/allows OpenAI products to be used is taking a big risk.

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_aavaa_ 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The same can be said about Apple. Several companies have complained about them taking a meeting with apple, presenting their product, only to have Apple then rip it off and build it in house. To say nothing of sherlocking.

	▲	thatwasunusual an hour ago \| parent [-]
		"Good artists copy; great artists steal" - Pablo Picasso, but was also used by Steve Jobs, ironically.

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an0malous 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is only like the 12th reason not to trust OpenAI. The culture starts from the top

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MeetingsBrowser 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m not one to defend huge companies, but OpenAI is a huge company.

It’s possible this kind of behavior is endorsed throughout, or it’s possible it’s limited to this specific group.

We know nothing beyond what Apple has alleged.

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bunderbunder 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve been at companies where just one group - or even just one person - did something unconscionable and kept getting away with it until the story hit the headlines. And I can tell you, it was never just an isolated incident involving just that group. It’s also all the people who knew something was up and didn’t say anything. And it’s the corporate leadership fostering a pervasive culture of turning a blind eye to ethical problems. Often by allowing people in power to ensure that sounding the alarm is a career-limiting move.

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MeetingsBrowser 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It very well could be a culture issue.

If it is, would you extend your opinion to say Apple turns a blind eye to ethical issues as well?

All of the employees divulging secrets came from Apple after all. The person named in the lawsuit was a 24 year Apple veteran and a VP at departure.

	▲	malshe 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It sounds more like they were kept in check at Apple and when they left they showed their true color

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mixdup 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You think the group tasked with developing whatever hardware device they're trying to build is isolated away from senior leadership and is running rogue?

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sandeepkd 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not being able to prove is one thing, pretending it may not be the case is next level of positivity. There are definitely going to be pockets of hard working smart folks in every place, however the company as a whole would get a bad name even if few folks are indulged and the company is not doing anything about it.

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felixgallo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you know who the CEO is?

	▲	techpression 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Same thought I had, I realized I was zero percent surprised reading the claims made, it feels like a perfect representation of the personality Sam Altman shows the world.

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BoorishBears 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you joking or are you confusing huge valuations with huge headcount?

	▲	MeetingsBrowser 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		OpenAI had >5000 employees last year. How many work in the hardware group?

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sk4rekr0w an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This thread is certainly achieving Apple's PR goals

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benoau 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can trust Apple. I mean they openly lied to a judge last year under oath, but you can trust them.

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winstonwinston an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Apple earned some trust unlike openai.

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xp84 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm the farthest thing from an Apple fanboi you can find, but Apple's not so unethical as to make all this (OpenAI trade secret) stuff up. The OpenAI settlement they'll no doubt get from this won't amount to 30 days of their App Store rent-seeking that they were propping up with those lies.

If they can't prove any of this stuff they wouldn't file the suit. No matter what you or I think of Apple, the chances that this went down at least as criminally as they allege, are very high.

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willtemperley 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you provide a source? Otherwise your comment is useless.

	▲	benoau 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Judge's ruling. > To hide the truth, Vice-President of Finance, Alex Roman, outright lied under oath. Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. Cook chose poorly. The real evidence, detailed herein, more than meets the clear and convincing standard to find a violation. The Court refers the matter to the United States Attorney for the Northern District of California to investigate whether criminal contempt proceedings are appropriate. > [..] > Neither Apple, nor its counsel, corrected the, now obvious, lies. They did not seek to withdraw the testimony or to have it stricken (although Apple did request that the Court strike other testimony). Thus, Apple will be held to have adopted the lies and misrepresentations to this Court. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.36...

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tangenter 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Meh. Consider that you had no choice and no say that your data out there, both present and historic as mined, aggregated and analyzed by data collectors, was used as a training set for the LLMs. I think you’re a tad too late with your warning. They’re already thieves and they know it. And they know you can’t and won’t do anything about it.

	▲	xnx 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Public/crawlable data is very different from private/internal documents and code that employees might prompt with.

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amelius 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area.

A company locking down their phone platform cannot be trusted with their laptop OS.