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Aeolun 7 hours ago

This tracks with my son’s observations on my wife’s phone use. She’ll tell him to stop watching youtube, then go right back to doing so herself.

It doesn’t really seem to compute how hypocritical that is.

sp8 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I remember the same from my childhood: being told off by my Mum for staring at something out of the window while she was doing the same. Mentioned it, got told off by my Dad. Did it affect me? I remember it 40 years later!

scotty79 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

About as much as telling your kid to not drink beer while you are doing it yourself.

Gigachad 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Aside from the physical/chemical damage alcohol does to developing brains, alcohol addiction is bad for adults too. We just concede that after childhood you can make your own choice to ruin your life.

Phone addiction is harmful to everyone at all age groups. It's not really the individuals to blame through. The tech companies have broken human psychology and developed something more addictive than drugs.

dizlexic 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Spoken like someone who hasn't really done drugs.

airstrafer 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I get what you’re saying but phone addiction has absolutely ruined people’s lives.

jb1991 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Numerous studies have supported this thesis, that phone addiction is identical to a chemical addiction.

lucumo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Which studies?

The claim is usually made without specific citations. The few studies I'm aware of show correlation between mental health issues and phone use, but don't show which way the causation runs. It's just as plausible that mental health causes more phone use, yet these message boards always like to blame the phone for the mental health issues.

gyomu 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you share studies that show they’re “identical”?

You’re not going to overdose from using your phone too much, or die from withdrawal if you suddenly stop using your phone, so that seems like a stretch.

acessoproibido 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

5% of all deaths worldwide can be attributed to alcohol.

Phone addiction is not identical. In some aspects its similar but in most others not.

skybrian 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What’s an example of a study that you think is convincing?

mystifyingpoi 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The phrase "drink beer" could mean anything from 2 beers on a sunny weekend to 6-pack every night. They are not comparable.

bowsamic 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would I tell my son not to drink beer? He can do so as soon as it’s relatively safe to

conductr 5 hours ago | parent [-]

“Relatively safe to” is a very official sounding rubric. I guess tell him that and see if you agree on the timing of when that safety threshold has been met.

Telling your kid to not drink beer is giving them the courage to say no to drinking beer. I personally don’t just bark out rules with no context. I also have discussions with my kid about why drinking beer can go awry. We all expect that they will, likely before we’d feel it’s relatively safe. So I want him to at least know what’s in store and how to not make compounding mistakes.

bowsamic 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t need to give reasons for my son to follow my orders

21asdffdsa12 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bell curve leveling off right after return-warranty runs out

tayo42 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wyh can't it be something like I don't want you to end up like me? I don't think it's hypocritical

Changing habits is hard enough on it's own.parenthood and modern life makes that even more difficult

r_lee 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

this is what naive adults think, don't you remember how it was when you were a kid?

I seriously, I feel like so many people just somehow magically forget their entire childhoods, maybe selectively?

I lack the ability to lie to myself like that unfortunately

StefanBatory 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have ADHD; I genuinely don't remember my childhood. If you told me my life started in secondary or high school, I would have believed you.

mc3301 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I dunno if that is connected to ADHD, and I dunno if I have ADHD (though by reading the textbook* on it, it kinda seems I do)... but I genuinely don't remember my childhood either.

*Taking Charge of Adult ADHD

r_lee an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I have severe ADHD, I remember enough to remember how it is. maybe it's because I'm in my 20s.. at least the feeling/vibe and knowing how "it's for your own good!!!!" type of stuff actually sounds like

but still, imo I haven't changed that much. less risk taking, more worries, more wisdom (somewhat)

maybe for some people they really are super different when they're younger but for me it's been kind of a linear path after a certain point

+ don't quote me on this but from what I know, ADHD affects mostly short term and working memory, but long term memory, especially significant events/etc. can be quite well retained, which matches my experience

rmunn 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> ... by reading the textbook* on it [ADHD], it kinda seems I do ...

There's a reason why most of the books I've read on ADHD have mentioned "Don't self-diagnose; get an expert to diagnose you." Short version: many of the symptoms of ADHD such as distractability happen to everyone, or nearly everyone, to some extent. Everyone can be distracted by a random thought; most people shake it off and get their train of thought back on track. Some people are more distractable than others, but it's perfectly normal to be distracted now and then. Which is why most people reading an ADHD book will recognize some of their behaviors in that book.

My opinion? (And note that I'm not qualified to diagnose anyone, so this is strictly an opinion). If you read the ADHD book and go "Hmm, maybe that describes me, I'm not sure"... then chances are that you do not have ADHD. Because my own experience was reading an ADHD book and going, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait. I know for a fact this author never interviewed me. So how come he's describing me perfectly?" Not in every single chapter — I don't have emotional-regulation problems to nearly the level that he described in some of the case studies, for example. But when I got to the bits about starting projects and not finishing them, or the parts about getting (seemingly-paradoxically) hyperfocused on some task and not noticing when other people are talking to you, I just shook my head and laughed, because he was describing me to a T.

Now, even if you don't have ADHD, that doesn't mean some of the organizational techniques mentioned there won't be helpful to you. Go ahead and apply them: many of them do help even the people who fit more into the "normal" part of the distractability spectrum. But certainly do NOT try any medication without having gotten a diagnosis first. Some ADHD medications can have side effects that should be watched for, and most of them are controlled substances in most countries I'm aware of (due to the possibility of addiction if you take way more than the amount normally prescribed, for example), meaning that in most countries, it's illegal to take them without a prescription.

But go ahead and apply some of the suggestions about ways to organize your life: they can be helpful even if you only have a normal level of distractability.

mc3301 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Thanks for the wonderfully thought-out response. I definitely agree on the not-self-diagnose-yourself front. I'm somewhere in between your two possible reactions to such books, leaning closer to the "Whoa, whoa, whoa" one.

However, I live in Japan, where simply finding a doctor qualified and willing to diagnose someone over 20 years old is super rare. Short of expensive monthly trips to Tokyo or something just to be diagnosed, and then having a prescription that has to be received in person monthly. And the medication is highly controlled.

So I have just kinda accepted to keep applying these techniques (as well as being aware of my own created mechanisms), keep trying my best, and just live a happy life. It's been working so far!

fouc 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's like a variation of the principle of "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"

a solipsistic viewpoint I suppose.

tayo42 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I have no idea what your trying to say or what point you're trying to make.

r_lee 6 hours ago | parent [-]

ask an LLM or something, they seem to get the point just fine

microtonal 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Changing habits is hard enough on it's own. parenthood and modern life makes that even more difficult

It is possible to make changes, I would say this is one of the easier bad habits to beat. The best is to start with fixed moments where you as a family decide phones are forbidden. For example, shortly after our daughter was born, we decided "no phones during eating (breakfast/lunch/dinner)". When both parents are in, it is easy to mutually enforce. For over a decade, we have never used a phone during dinner and it's one of those moments of family time.

Now we are always surprised when we have dinner together at a restaurant that some people are on their phones half the time (sometimes doing useless stuff like checking Facebook/insta), rather than enjoying each other and dinner. It's so weird.

Another good method is to remove addictive social media from your phone. Primarily games and apps with algorithmic timelines like Facebook, Instagram, X, Reddit, etc. I removed all those from my phone. I noticed with apps that do not have an algorithmic timeline, like Mastodon, you catch up once and after that it's not interesting anymore.

noufalibrahim 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are many things you can do to get it out of your family's life. No phones in the bedroom, No phones after X O'clock, Open conversations about social media with your kids, Unite with them in the fight against social media, block social media from your phones (use only a computer). My own poison of choice was twitter but thankfully, it's become X and I've become ex-twitter more or less. It's liberating. I also vibe coded some software to keep me off these things on my work computer so that's been good too.

tayo42 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not impossible,but on top of all the other stresses in life you need to sit down and figure out this new problem too? You have got to at least sympathize with the situation. I know I've regressed on phone use since my child was born.

microtonal 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All I can say is, time really flies by (before you know it they are teenagers). You only get one shot at enjoying their early years and they only get one youth. Make the best of it, cutting down smartphone use (for parent and child) is part of it.

If you are really addicted, seek help (we have to accept that it can be a real addiction). If not, set strict boundaries and remove addictive apps.

noosphr 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Children follow by example. If you're an addict your kids will be too.

acessoproibido 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Untrue and toxic statement