| ▲ | Small AI Models Gain Traction In places with unreliable networks(spectrum.ieee.org) |
| 118 points by sscaryterry 8 hours ago | 32 comments |
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| ▲ | N_Lens 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I strongly believe this premise in the article is correct - we will see a lot of tiny, hyper specialized models for individual tasks, and perhaps that will converge with an orchestration layer for a generalized intelligence that controls these specialized tiny models, that will be quite capable. I don't foresee AGI arising out training bigger LLMs (Though investors won't realise that for a while yet). It's actually how organic brains work - specialized tasks are offloaded to local cortical columns. The overall coordination between these sub-brains creates emergent skills/abilities. |
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| ▲ | andy99 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | General purpose models are always more robust and generally better than smaller narrower models. My bet is that compute will catch up and any “small” model will still be generally capable, just smaller than sota, rather than intentionally narrow. The exception would be for very well defined tasks where the data distribution never varies, but these are rare and don’t really need “AI” anyway when they do exist. | |
| ▲ | stingraycharles 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It's actually how organic brains work - specialized tasks are offloaded to local cortical columns. How are small isolated language models more similar to that than MoE in LLMs? | |
| ▲ | simianwords 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No this will never work. Domain specific models will never be a thing because intelligence carries over and compounds. Why didn’t OpenAI release a math specific model? Why not a literature specific one? Why do they instead have generic models of different sizes? And how did all labs converge on this? Why does Fable just not train on non cybersec and non biology data but instead have clearly costly and annoying classifiers? | |
| ▲ | looofooo0 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | What about recent models providing correct proofs to open math problems? | | |
| ▲ | TJSomething 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I haven't tried it, but I saw Leanstral, an LLM specialized in writing Lean proofs, posted on HN recently and it claims to outperform some larger general purpose models. It didn't beat Claude Opus, but it seems to do decently at one tenth the cost. It's plausible that further research could yield other models that are smaller and more effective at limited tasks, reversing the trend of ever growing models. | |
| ▲ | 16bitvoid an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | What about it? |
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| ▲ | tim-fan 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is anyone making LLM-in-a-box for emergency supply kits yet? I feel that would be handy in all sorts of situations when networks are down. |
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| ▲ | Terr_ 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > LLM-in-a-box for emergency For most actual emergency scenarios, a device that focuses on storage of large amounts of prepared normal reference material [0] will be wayyyyy cheaper, more durable, portable, and able to run on batteries or being constantly plugged into a somehow-still-normal electrical grid. (Think an e-ink tablet that can run off a 5V battery pack buffering a literal handcrank.) In contrast, imagine spending the money to build a beefy LLM-running computer with good GPU/RAM, and somehow mothballing it (to depreciate, unused) in a "safe" location for the big earthquake/flood/etc... Then when the disaster strikes and you dig it out, how will you power it when you need it, and for long enough to do anything useful? Even if wall-current civilization is 20 miles away on the other side of the mountain, are you going to carry it on your back, or are you going to carry food and water to live? If you do drag it there, are they going to let you run it when it cuts into light for surgery or heat to sterilize drinking water? | | |
| ▲ | skybrian 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You will probably want a search engine though. Perhaps a small LLM would work well as a component for that? | | |
| ▲ | iamflimflam1 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You may benefit from an embedding approach for semantic search. Not sure what an LLM would give you on top of that. | |
| ▲ | rtpg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | grep works well! |
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| ▲ | zmgsabst 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can run a small model off a home generator — so in an emergency, you’d turn on both the generator and information service, eg, a mesh for “quick” responses querying that huge collection of information. That way your machine that, eg, normally plays video games or does AI work can support relief efforts by supporting emergency response IT. You don’t need to mothball the machine, just have an “emergency” boot USB than can run the services from your home generator. You don’t even need to bring it with you: turn it on and leave it “best effort” at home, while you continue to use it via WAN. | | |
| ▲ | Terr_ an hour ago | parent [-] | | I feel this is going into increasingly-unlikely mixes of constraints and needs in order to try to keep a "wouldn't it be cool if" hypothetical-tool dream alive. [0] But OK, let's assume that: The power is out, but you have a generator with so much fuel you can run a desktop just fine; Your neighborhood will somehow make a mesh network; Your neighbors need some already stored information and the best solution for that is texting a chatbot rather than a survival/emergency handbook or Wikipedia; Your mesh-network will also be good enough to match the time-sensitivity of the questions. Under those assumption, which of these sounds better? 1. Buying an "LLM-in-a-box for emergency supply kits", which you deploy so that your neighbors can ask questions (text over the mesh) of the offline chatbot. 2. Buying a satellite internet transciever for your emergency supply kit, so that your neighbors can ask questions of a much better chatbot and communicate with human experts, their worried relatives, and coordinate with rescue/relief efforts... [0] https://xkcd.com/2128/ | | |
| ▲ | zmgsabst 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Option 1 sounds better: I’m only out the cost of the drive, which is like $40 and doesn’t require anybody on the other side cooperate with me. - - - More broadly… You call it unlikely mixes, but we see it all the time: - people already have a computer for gaming or work - people (ie, “preppers” like we’re discussing) buy a generator for emergencies - local emergency response sets up mesh networking during disasters, both official and unofficial Have you ever tried to use a handbook you’re not intimately familiar with during an emergency? It’s rough. For personal preparedness, nothing replaces familiarity and practice — eg, weekend survival trips and reading your manual ahead of time. But for providing information in a random lookup manner to unpracticed people who weren’t prepared? Yes, I think an LLM/chatbot is the practical way to operationalize all that information which you stored (eg, survival guides or machine manuals). Also, it’s unlikely a general purpose chatbot would be superior at survival advice to one specialized for that purpose — and indeed, is likely to refuse your questions as “unsafe” or “criminal”. |
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| ▲ | weikju 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If you do carry it to an enclave of civilization that has the right power, are they going to let you run it when it cuts into light for surgeons or heat to sterilize water? Knowing humans? They'd probably take it by force and run it for themselves instead of providing light and heat to surgeons and water sterilizers... /daily dose of cynism |
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| ▲ | robotswantdata 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://developers.google.com/edge/gallery Put that on a spare phone | |
| ▲ | SwellJoe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is couched in prepper nonsense, but it's got LLM, WikiPedia, maps, etc. A bunch of genuinely useful stuff to keep on a USB stick or whatever: https://www.projectnomad.us/ But, the current model you really want for an emergency kit is Gemma 4 12B QAT 4-bit. At ~7GB on disk, it's small enough to run on a tablet or any modern computer, slowly if you don't have a GPU or modern Apple silicon, but exceedingly smart for its size, excellent vision capabilities, good tool user, surprisingly good reasoning. | |
| ▲ | vessenes 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've been mulling over a good use of a large philanthropy spend in the next decade, and I would love to build a bunch of hardware "oracles" that include an LLM. Ideally solid state, visual/audio, solar + usb-c, so, good in a lot of doomsday scenarios as well as just out hiking. It's a fun thought experiment. I imagine making like 1 million of them, they could be sold and genuinely useful, but also given away; once owned, you could use them, or store and put in an emergency box, bury next to the 10k year clock.. a lot of possibilities. | | |
| ▲ | adrianN 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I feel like you could get a lot more quality of life improvement for more people with the money if you spent it on low tech solutions, eg more efficient cooking stoves for people still cooking with biomass, or solar microgrids for areas without electricity. |
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| ▲ | sumitkumar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | electricity outage and battery running out is the end game for any real prolonged external emergency. Internet connection is just the soft edge. | |
| ▲ | rasz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Smallest local model able to work with offline wikipedia dump would be one step above just having an offline wikipedia dump. | |
| ▲ | burgerone 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is HN, not Reddit. | |
| ▲ | cdnsteve 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Can you expand what you mean? | | |
| ▲ | wahnfrieden 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | They want to ask the iOS Foundation model (frontier on device intelligence for something small) for instance about emergency procedures and life-saving info. I wouldn’t trust that model with much at all though. More likely to find what you need from miniature survival guides. |
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| ▲ | monkeydust an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Where is a good place to start with training SLM these days if you don't have the compute locally? |
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| ▲ | bix6 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Has anyone used the Rx Scanner mentioned in the opening? https://rxall.net/rxscanner/ |
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| ▲ | jdonaldson 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think neuro-symbolic AI has a lot of potential here, since small models can handle a lot of conversational inputs, while relying on wired-in solvers for more complex symbolic math/computation needs. https://jjd.io/posts/swollm-bbh-leaderboard.html |
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| ▲ | fpauser an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| SLMs for the rescue! |
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| ▲ | bombcar 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 99% of the model "work" (meaning the connection to your computer) is just spinning a spinner - something that makes me want to wrap it with a mosh shell so I can just keep moving from network to network. |
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| ▲ | enoint 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Fascinating to wonder whether the bigger model finds fewer or more counterfeits than the on-device one. |
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| ▲ | mountainriver 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I looked into this a bit but unfortunately because of starlink most of this won’t be needed |