Is it as good as Fable..? Fable is the first model that mostly writes without the AI slop format for me, and so I can comfortably actually copy and paste most of what it spits out.

OpenAI models have always been the worst in my experience for verbose, slop formatted responses, with each generation increasing in sloppiness.

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behnamoh 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> Fable is the first model that mostly writes without the AI slop format for me

I'm not that impressed by Fable's writing to be honest, still has the AI giveaways like em dash.

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InsideOutSanta 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The em-dash is not a "AI giveaway", it's just correct writing. Actual AI giveaways are in the writing style itself.

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hn_user2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Humans use em dash as well.

I hate that I have had to remove it from my writing style because people assume it’s AI generated. But I think that ship has sailed. I’ll have to do without now.

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breezybottom 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Parentheses usually read better anyway.

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jona-f 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How do you type the em dash. I thought the point about the em dash "—" is, that it is longer than the normal minus "-". Humans normally have no way to produce it, cause there is no key on the keyboard.

	▲	aenis an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Some text editors replace the -- (two separate dashes) with a proper em-dash. Literate people - who understand why em dash exists - have been using it all the time. Thats, after all, how the models learned to use it.
	▲	Metricon 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Many word processors (Microsoft Word, LibreOffice Writer, etc.) and some online editors will auto convert double hyphens "--" as they are typed into an em dash.
	▲	timbeccue 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Macos, ios, google docs, and microsoft word will autocorrect two hyphens to an em dash, which is how I normally type it. On a mac you can also type an em dash with option-shift-hyphen.
	▲	xoxolian 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Being Hacker News, a lot of us use programmable IDEs & keyboards. I added em dash support to both Emacs and Dygma keyboard.
	▲	normis 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		At least in macOS there is a key for that on the keyboard, Shift + Option + Hyphen (-). This information is a quick internet search away.
	▲	icelancer 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		dash dash "--" on a lot of systems and word processors turns it into the em-dash automatically

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dionian 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

i cant reply to hn_user2, but i have the same experience, i find myself never using emdash where i would have before

	▲	jona-f 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Why can't you reply to hn_user2? I just did. Did you say something mean to hn_user2 and now you have a restraining order and can't go near them within one reply?