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naturalmovement 7 hours ago

They're venting their anger on social media apps, which are powered not by datacenters but by an invisible angel that takes your message and places it on everyone else's phone.

Arming the dumbest among us with smartphones aka portable TV studios was one of the biggest mistakes we made as a society.

urbnspacecowboy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> They're venting their anger on social media apps

"Heh. Gotcha." < https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ >

Hamuko 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did our demand for social media apps suddenly blow up? Because our DC demand seems to be blowing up.

hettygreen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'd love to see an answer to this question..

You'd think the datacenter boom would have happened during COVID when everyone was stuck at home ordering everything online, streaming everything and doing zoom calls all day as they work from home.

But the fact that it's happening now is weird. Everyone I know has cooled on AI, even my most AI loving friends are no longer using it for art, porn or therapy.

So is it all speculative? Companies hoping to get in on the "AI goldrush"?

Could this be nefarious? Instead of one big underground secret military datacenter, distribute a resilient network of regular datacenters all around the country that are also used for civilian purposes.

naturalmovement 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm curious how the HN zeitgeist hates datacenters so ferociously yet every third article posted to the front page is 800 comments beating off to a new Claude feature. It's mind-boggling.

bigbadfeline 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> yet every third article posted to the front page is 800 comments beating off to a new Claude feature

In addition to the bot farms, many in the AI related fields have plenty of perverse incentives to participate - for reasons other than genuine interest. That's why I don't read those threads, although the marketing angle is easy to see it's also prevalent and laboring to filter out all 90% of it isn't worth the effort.

Zigurd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Let's assume you're not lumping all data centers in together in bad faith. Just like Elon's tunnels are not a subway system, a repurposed crypto mine isn't a real AI data center. There's a right way to build, fund, and power data centers, and a sketchy, unethical, greedy, polluting, inflationary, and financially corrupt way to do it.

thegrim33 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Half the traffic on this site are real, intelligent humans (among whom opinion is split different ways on the AI topic), a quarter of the traffic is propagandists trying to destroy western tech/infrastructure/society (notice how China apparently doesn't have to stop AI development or datacenter development, only the West does), and the remaining quarter is real humans who have been utterly consumed by the previously mentioned propagandists and are parroting the same messaging.

bigbadfeline 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> a quarter of the traffic is propagandists trying to destroy western tech/infrastructure/society

The most effective enemy propaganda is called "sticker shock". When the sticker goes up in a week, it's double propaganda. I'm fully onboard with the idea of stopping the propaganda producers from continuing to do it.

nfw2 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This violates Occam's razor despite it being sort of an obvious thing I would do if I was ccp

Zigurd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're thinking of trains and rail lines. They deployed an obnoxious billionaire to dig tunnels that are useless and to propagandize against mass transit, while building the world's envy of a rail system.

On the other hand, the Chinese lag way behind in data centers. Odd.

Freedom2 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I struggle sometimes to accept this. This site has been fostering great, curious discussion thanks to everyone diligently following the posting guidelines. As such, if everyone was discussing curiously, how could one simply parrot propaganda? It's unfathomable, and worse, goes against the commenting guidelines.

danaris 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You have fallen victim to the Two Guys Fallacy.

In general, if you are observing a community, and you see what looks like a contradiction like this, almost every time what you're actually seeing is Two Guys: in this case, one portion of the HN userbase that hates datacenters, and another portion that has to change their underwear every time Anthropic puts out new release notes.

Very few communities like HN are genuinely monolithic, and very few people are going to hold such contradictory beliefs within the same individual.

tomnow 4 hours ago | parent [-]

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mikestew 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Complains about pollution, but still breathes the air, eh? What is your suggestion, a strongly-worded letter to the editor of your local newspaper?

Arming the dumbest among us...

Conveniently leaving yourself out of that group, I'm sure.

shimman 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are differences in types of data centers and hyper scale data centers are extremely different than what you're imagining.

naturalmovement 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm sure the protesters are well-versed on the technical differences.

Not that it matters. A building is a building and has to meet local zoning regulations.

Your elected representatives are approving them left and right and issuing variances.

We need more locally-sourced, sustainable datacenters?

infamouscow 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pointing out hypocrisy is a losing strategy in politics.

I implore you to continue with this strategy.

Spooky23 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet here you are, chilling with the dumbs.