I really feel that many of the issues with mRNA vaccines and health studies in general are generalizations like “safe and effective”. Everything has statistical risks and benefits, and we should just share those front and center with people. Eg test results for X mean you have a Y% chance of having X, given your history and symptoms and other results. Here are low cost low risk marginal things you can do to improve statistical significance.

Similar for vaccines, just give us the numbers clearly and upfront.

This bypasses regulators from having to make claims beyond “we reviewed the data and agree with these numbers and feel that this should not be banned.” I do think it would also help to separate something “not banned” and being “required to be covered by insurance” or “required for professions like the military”. I think trying to simplify things makes things worse, because this abstraction is not real.

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estearum 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Similar for vaccines, just give us the numbers clearly and upfront.

You are aware that literally anyone can go and literally find exactly these numbers, correct?

The trial results are published!

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blub an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It’s trivial to publish these so that they’re both easily available and easy to understand. I’m guessing that’s not the case for the CDC, since you didn’t post any link or guideline.

A nice example was the EUCDC guidance on AstraZeneca’s vaccine which showed that for young age groups the vaccine was more dangerous than the disease. That allows anyone to make an informed decision for themselves instead of being bullied or emotionally blackmailed “for the greater good”.

Par for the course, I can’t access the actual study from The Lancet and have to settle for second-rate journalist summaries which are typically biased and ultimately worthless.

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s1artibartfast 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like a oppurtunity for health educatation. 99%+ of people dont know they can look in the USPI for this data. However, it isnt the best and most up to date, which the regulator and FDA would have and are unlikely to share.

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estearum 3 hours ago | parent [-]

100% of people who Google something like "how do we know the covid vaccines are good" would discover that the tool we use to figure that out is called a "clinical trial." Then they can look up "covid vaccine clinical trial results."

The reality is none of these "do your own research" or "just asking questions" people are actually curious whatsoever. Curiosity requires more than zero effort. Simply saying you're "doing your own research" and "just asking questions" while regurgitating the last thing you saw on your TikTok feed is super easy and gives you all the same sense of intellectual superiority.

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smallstepforman 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The rushed clinical trials were only done with 122 people and a control group. During the very short trial, 1 person died in the first group, 2 in the other. The “conclusion” was its better to be vaccinated and it protects you better. 12 months later AstraZenica vaccine pulled from market everywhere ….

	▲	estearum 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This is not true lol.

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s1artibartfast 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Im not sure what point you are making. Are you opposed to public health agencies sharing science based facts and helping people find the data?

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estearum 3 hours ago | parent [-]

No? My point is the data is all available and always has been.

	▲	s1artibartfast 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Some data is, some isnt. Most people dont look for it and public health communications isnt data focused. Nobody was was claiming that people cant google. I dont know why you bring this up as a gotcha when someone said public health communications should share more data.

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peyton 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yep, those regulated marketing terms could use an update.

Regulators don’t make cures. There’s room to improve on that side of the system.

Especially as emerging approaches seem to be trending more systems-thinking-oriented, eg “this will strengthen your immune system to fight lots of diseases.”