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rootsudo 5 hours ago

This does not apply to Nintendo of America, which famously does underpay in the Redmond, WA area and well.. I hear has trouble truly attracting talent in the first place.

Wowfunhappy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How much does Nintendo of America really do? It's basically localization and marketing, right? And maybe outreach to third party developers?

I would imagine they're able to underpay due to the allure of working for Nintendo combined with a lack of actual positions.

CM30 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They do have at least one development studio there, Nintendo Software Technology:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Software_Technology

They also make quite a few more changes than expected when localising games. Or at least they did in the olden days, where the American versions of games sometimes had different/extra features compared to the Japanese originals.

I think some of the localisation team are also regular voice actors for the games, on a worldwide basis.

Wowfunhappy 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> They do have at least one development studio there, Nintendo Software Technology.

Oh, interesting! The list of games isn't particularly impressive though, a lot of ports and remakes. Compare that to also-US-based Retro Studios, which isn't considered under Nintendo of America from what I understand.

LetsGetTechnicl 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Retro Studios is a subsidiary of Nintendo, actually! Not sure how it's structured organizationally, but Nintendo does own it.

rootsudo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's considered tech, adjacent to The Pokemon Company, also in the same area...

It's not just localization and marketing they do have corporate IT and some development/studio as well as very poor security policies that gets them breeched every now and again which makes sense, they pay poorly and from my personal experience gatekeep but that makes sense from the applicants that probably get in their applicant pool.

mothballed 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm sure they've employed an army of lawyers for US IP law which isn't something easily reproducible in Japan.

Bluescreenbuddy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Game devs in general underpay unless you're high up.

dismalaf 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

US tech wages are insanely inflated compared to, well, everywhere.

genxy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

US tech wages are what everyone should be making. Tech looks high compared to everyone else, but it is more that everyone else's wages got suppressed.

gruez 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>Tech looks high compared to everyone else, but it is more that everyone else's wages got suppressed.

Where do you draw the line? Maybe everyone should be earning $10M/year like AI researchers, and anything to the contrary means it's "suppressed"?

__turbobrew__ 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Where do you draw the line

You can own a house and support a family of 5 on a single income and retire at 65.

Where I live that is only really possible for SWE, lawyers, doctors, and execs.

Chinjut 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fine by me. Let's give it a shot.

sublinear 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm pretty sure they meant ~100k-200k in a housing market away from the coasts... oh wait that's already true!

tikhonj 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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bthrn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I once watched a Vice President at an all hands explain that the company's decision to have non-competitive wages was because "it's not that we're underpaying, it's that everybody else is overpaying. If you want to go somewhere else to get overpaid, that's not going to last." I think about that every now and again and chuckle.

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snapcaster 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I hate this crab in a bucket framing. It's so anti-working person. Why isn't it that wages are insanely deflated compared to the US?

t-3 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People can achieve a high standard of living anywhere in the world on half or a quarter of what goes for normal in SV tech. The valuations of these companies are even more inflated than their wages, and most of them aren't even profitable and don't have good prospects. Bubbles benefit some people, but they're a sign of dysfunction and I don't believe that the proper reaction to a sign of deep societal dysfunction is to celebrate that a few thousands of people can make a lot of money out of it.

SoftTalker 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> anywhere in the world

Anywhere outside of SV, really.

linuxftw 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Depends on what you qualify as 'standard of living.' There's no amount of money I would accept to live in many parts of the world. To have the same size property and home I have today in France or Germany would be likely 10's of millions of Euros. My property is worth well less than $1M.

noirscape 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because the conversation is incomplete if we're talking internationally.

The cost of living in the US is much higher compared to most other first world/rich countries for one. Count up someone's basic living expenses in the US and those in another country (so taxes, rent and fixed costs) and the US often ends up much higher in terms of absolute values. In other countries, taxes usually soak up more of those fixed costs, reducing them more across the board for most people. The US also has very little protection against surprise fees at checkout (to the annoyance of non-Americans when ordering stuff online from the US), so a lot of stores sell on higher markups relatively speaking, making the same goods more expensive in the US. There's also healthcare, which needs little elaboration because the US is to my knowledge the single most expensive country to live in when it comes to that.

That applies to the US as a whole; it's why someone can say they're making 300k USD a year, say they're apparently barely able to stay afloat and then the rest of the world pretty much regards the US economy as being fundamentally wrong in some form. In most places, 300k USD a year is living in the upper class (as in, "work this job for a decade and you can retire early" money), not scraping the bottom of the barrel. By modern conversion standards, that's about 263k euros, or about 21k euros each month.

Then there's the tech sector specific problems. San Francisco is expensive to live in, and most US tech companies are in SF. Take the US cost of living problem, amplify it specifically for the tech sector (which is usually not talked about, since it's hard to vocalize). Second is that the US tech sector has more creative ideas and money than business sense - throwing money at a problem like the purse doesn't exist is a very US tech thing that doesn't apply anywhere else. It means that it's possible to hire people at far more inflated prices than the job is realistically worth.

Whether a wage is good or bad is pretty much entirely dependent on the local economy. Someone making 2000 EUR a month in Europe makes just above/right below the poverty line. Someone making 2000 EUR a month in Brazil is living an upper class lifestyle. That's an extreme comparison, but is a good indicator.

bluGill 2 hours ago | parent [-]

One other point: tastes expand to fit your income. You learn how much many you get every month and then how to spend that much.

My local Mercedes dealer will lease me a car for $4000/month (+ insurance) - somebody must have enough money to make that payment. If that is too much maybe the 18 year old Honda Civic with 300k miles for $1000 (cash price) is more your style? Probably you fit in between those. (note that we are talking about the US so we can assume there is no useful transit)

outside1234 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One thing to consider is that people in France (for example) are actually getting paid 45% more than you see in their salary because the government is taking that invisibly from the employer for social services.

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dismalaf 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The rest of the world has educated people willing to work for less. Wages are just supply/demand.

I'm not saying either is right or wrong, it's just an observation.

drstewart 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

He told you why: because it's in America. You can bet if Europe paid those wages and the US didn't we'd be hearing about wage suppression and underpayment instead.