Meanwhile in Texas we can’t even have red light cameras to automatically ticket people willing to kill you just to catch a light.

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kodablah 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Meanwhile in <location> we can't even have Flock cameras to automatically catch people who may have killed someone"

Hopefully the absurdity of broad scale surveillance can't be so easily lost in hyperbole

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microgpt 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Flock doesn't automatically catch people who killed someone. Red light cameras do catch people who run red lights.

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Libcat99 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

No one in law enforcement is trying to help you. That's not what it's for.

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kodablah an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

And people that don't run red lights and suffer selective enforcement and are used for arbitrary surveillance and so on and so on. Don't let your naive view of what you want these things and their handlers to do distract you from reality, regardless of the brand or intent of widely deployed cameras.

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kjkjadksj an hour ago | parent [-]

Traditional red light cameras take a still frame and are triggered only during a red light violation.

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microgpt 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's actually a problem because sometimes they catch people who weren't running the red light, but easily fixed by capturing a bit more.

	▲	KennyBlanken 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Thank goodness you found a basic flaw in red light and speed enforcement cameras. It's shame it's taken decades for someone to realize this issue and now we can finally start working on solutions like taking two photos.

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hfosidkc77 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Having been in Texas last month these cameras are all over your state. I saw them everywhere from the smallest city to houston

https://imgur.com/a/P7WxKpU

	▲	assimpleaspossi an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Make sure you're not looking at traffic control cameras. These are used to monitor traffic for the traffic lights.
	▲	kodablah 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		They're all basically turned off by law, just not removed

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fc417fc802 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly I like that policy. What's the legality of flock in Texas?

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Spooky23 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Totally legal.

The operating theory of all of these cameras is that anything happening in public sight is by its nature not private. The federal government is dumping millions and millions of dollars into grant programs for municipalities to buy it… It’s a giant federal surveillance program disguised as decisions made by individual police departments.

It’s hilarious and depressing to contrast the HN community reaction to Snowden versus the mostly meh response to flock.

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pixl97 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The last 20 years has burned privacy into the ground for a large part of the population.

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Manuel_D 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The plain view doctrine dates back to the 70s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_view_doctrine

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ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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	▲	cucumber3732842 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There's this insidious tendency among HNers to make this argument and ones like it. Yeah, if you live in a tiny medieval village or a small town in the middle of nowhere in 1980 there was little "privacy" but Jeffrey Dahmer was fucking dudes (back when that wasn't ok) and eating people in his apartment for years before anyone caught on. In more suburban settings there truly was privacy to a large practical extent. Furthermore, these argument lie through their teeth to portray privacy from those who you mostly voluntarily associate, vs privacy from government systems that can seek you out, have power over you and can fairly unilaterally screw you with little recourse and you cannot choose not to associate with. Having people not associate with you in 1980, or 1280, because you did something sly or immoral is fundamentally different from being combed over by the government because you hit some unknowable proprietary criteria that triggered them to go over you with a fine tooth comb.

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bertt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're mistaken if you think the community is still the same percentage of humans.

	▲	Spooky23 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That’s a fair point that I didn’t consider, thank you.

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infecto 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What meh response? There has been a continued and very vocal response against flock here.

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Spooky23 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If you pointed out any of the many problematic aspects of Snowden in those days, you’d be shouted down and voted into oblivion immediately.

	▲	mixmastamyk an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Good, because nothing “problematic” about an individual matters one bit when presented with nefarious government activities. It’s obvious distraction technique 101.