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righthand 4 hours ago

US cities are plenty safe. The fact that you think otherwise is propaganda you’ve been successfully served. I live in Nyc and visit other cities often.

steelbrain 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You must live in a different New York City than the one I visited. I had the safety calibration of Tallinn, Estonia and Dubai, UAE.

The subway was extremely hostile. People were regularly drugged out of their mind. I saw one guy try to drink a Coca Cola upside down and spilled it all in the bus. Another crazy chased my limited mobility Estonian friend who wanted to visit nyc alongside me when she went alone for groceries.

Could it be that your frame of reference is broken and/or you’re numb to it?

beau_g 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You saw someone try to drink a soda upside down and spill it? We are going to need more than a Flock cam to stop that heinous act, perhaps a Flock robot arm that could grab the criminals arm and turn it right side up, or just restrain them while the authorities are on the way.

filoleg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I saw a tall man on L train stomping aggressively through the car and yelling bloody murder that he is gonna "stab the next mf I see", while attempting to swing punches at random people. The whole train ended up getting evacuated, and the train line got delayed. That was last winter. Between then and now, I saw people threatening others on the subway multiple times.

The most recent incident was a few weeks ago on Q train, where a seated man was screaming at the woman across from him (who was trying to do her best to ignore him), how he was gonna kill her and "the rest of her people" (whatever that means).

But please tell me how stuff like this never happens.

And I am not even a subway hater overall, I take it daily, and it is my preferred method of transportation. And no, I am not taking subway into deep and shady parts of bronx or brooklyn, as heavy majority of my rides are contained between Dekalb/Jay St Metrotech (aka dt brooklyn) and midtown.

It just sounds like crazy talk to me, when someone claims that the safety cams in subway cars are not, at least, somewhat helpful. At least newer A/C train cars have those cams now, and, I hope, it will lead to prosecution of serial subway harassers.

steelbrain 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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wat10000 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You’re describing a spilled soda as a safety issue. The other person isn’t the one with a broken frame of reference.

righthand 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

These are all lies. Small towns have notiriously higher crime rates than Nyc. We should send the National Guard to your small town and place cameras every where. I dont feel safe in your small town. I moved away from middle America that’s swamped in meth, high murder rate, and racism. Sorry someone spilled a coca-cola though. Your pearls must be powder in your hands by now.

tr45872267 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is false. Urban areas have the highest rate of crime compared to rural and suburban. For example look at the years 2020 and 2021 from this report:[0]

Table 8

Rate of victimization, by type of crime and location of residence, 2020 and 2021

Location of residence

Total violent crime Violent crime excluding simple assault Total property crime

2020 2021* 2020 2021* 2020 2021*

Urban 19.0 † 24.5 7.7 9.7 158.9 157.5

Suburban 16.8 16.5 5.6 5.2 90.5 86.8

Rural 13.4 11.1 4.5 4.4 65.6 57.7

You can see clearly that urban has the highest rate of crime, and this has been true for decades.[1]

Also, many crimes are not recorded at all in NYC, which is why many stores have locked down all their items with a key that requires permission from a staff member to access. I haven't seen this in the small towms I've been to.

[0] https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv21.pdf

[1] https://ovc.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh226/files/ncvrw2018/...

Waterluvian 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There’s possibly a fantasy mindset at play where people need a certain identity to be true. As we’ve witnessed on a national scale, humans have great capacity for fantastical thinking to support what a friend of mine calls their “binkie narrative.”

arjie 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

His small town? Tallinn is comparatively tiny to NYC admittedly but Dubai is a fairly large and urban city. I think that it doesn’t quite fit the appellation.

billfor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I live in NYC and I don't think it is safe, so there's one person that disagrees with you. Part of the problem in NYC is when you commit a low-level crime the social-justice warriors let the person back out on the street without charging them. This is why when somebody kills somebody in NYC you often hear that the person had been arrested for various things twelve times earlier. Just covering up the "un-safeness" by saying "it's safe" or citing crime stats doesn't change what people can see with their own eyes.

goatlover 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you sure these people weren't making plea deals or having their cases dismissed because prosecutors can't try every single low level criminal case? I'm not sure where "social-justice warriors" comes in to play. It's the legal system making choices about what crimes are worth prosecuting.

righthand 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a bail reform propaganda. If you feel unsafe because we dont put deoderant thieves in Rikers then move.

naturalmovement 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Can't wait for all the pharmacies in your neighborhood to close because you think punishing deodorant thieves is wrong.

kennywinker 2 hours ago | parent [-]

In your conception, the only reason any drug store is able to stay in business is because deodorant thieves are getting hard time?

If enough people are stealing deodorant to put them out of business, I think there are some big social problems that jail time isn’t going to fix.

Frankly, i’d 100% of the time rather bare the cost of shoplifters thru slightly higher prices than thru paying ~$100,000 year each incarcerating anyone who shoplifts.

There are “low level” crimes that are predictable signs of violent crime. E.g. intimate partner violence. I’d love to see those taken more seriously, even if it’s just for the downstream effects.

Waterluvian 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s hard to distil to a single comment but I think it might be a poor example given the NYPD takes about double the budget per capita to be less safe than Toronto.

I think the only objective conclusion we can come to in a comments section is that going by “I visited there” vibes isn’t going to be useful.

righthand 3 hours ago | parent [-]

What about the high murder rate and meth problems of middle America, lets talk about that more instead of the “oh no homeless people” rhetoric all the time.

naturalmovement 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This type of "there is no problem and any evidence is propaganda" denial is why social disorder like rampant petty theft, open air drug use, and people shitting in the streets is destroying these cities.

righthand 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What about the meth heads shitting in the streets of the small town? Rampant assault and murder rates. What about all the drinking and driving killing people in America. No, no, it’s Nyc that’s scary.

naturalmovement 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They have laws against those people.

When meth heads get arrested, there isn't an army of losers protesting the sheriff the next day claiming it's cruel and unusual punishment and demanding the city give them a free house for them to do meth in.

Enjoy your Alcatraz pharmacies while they're still open.

sarchertech 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

NYC is safer than many cities for sure.

But there are approximately zero meth heads shitting in the streets in small towns in the US.

I have never once seen a person shitting in the streets in a small town. I saw it within 24 hours of visiting Portland. I’ve never seen that in NYC either to be clear.

timciep 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, crime in small towns is bad too. Do we agree?

Zigurd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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derektank 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

NYC is quite safe compared to most US cities. It is still more dangerous than most major cities in the developed world.

sarchertech 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

I did a quick check here and it has a lower crime and a higher safety score than London and Paris.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Uni...

nailer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Really? I lived in Greenwich village until last year and I’d have people threaten to kill me for politely declining to give them change. I live in Park Slope now and there’s violent people on the F line all the time. Maybe wealthy neighbourhoods are super dangerous or maybe you’re just not noticing.