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WarmWash 5 hours ago

The entire article doesn't once stipulate that the grounds for banning a Chinese owned car is having telemetry that phones home to China.

Maybe Volvo still does and it's a mystery why they can still sell here. Maybe Volvo doesn't and there is no story here.

But if the car talks to China and gets updates from China, the US doesn't care if it's built here.

consumer451 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Honest question: what would prevent the CCP from buying telemetry on the open data market via intermediaries, from cars that were made in the USA?

jruz 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But having my Tesla made in Europe phone the US is totally fine right?

vrganj 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It's crazy to me there hasn't been a backlash against that yet

m2f2 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

.... but having all of EU defense including F35s calling in home in Trump US before every mission is totally fine right?

stephbook 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you have an official announcement this is the case or are you just making excuses for this administration?

pegasus 4 hours ago | parent [-]

He's just saying the article does not even discuss this vital distinction, let alone bring evidence either way.

stephbook an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's impossible to prove the nonexistance and mentioning hearsay wouldn't be good.

The onus is on the commentator to substantiate his claims of there being a rationale.

juliusceasar 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Well, that is not true. The 'nonexistance' part. All new car phone home, and that is somewhere on the world.

idiotsecant 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It also doesn't discuss if the polestar was made of asbestos or if it was dangerous to unicorn spawning habitat.

idiotsecant 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a remarkable opinion.

If we have problems with consumer-hostile behaviour like tracking users, remotely disabling vehicles, or other things like that we should outlaw those behaviours in products used in the US.

We will never do that because Western auto manufacturers want to be able to behave badly in the same way Chinese manufacturers might and they have a firm grasp on the American governments leash.

'Its from China' is a dumb reason not to allow a product into the market. If there are specific features, standards, etc that should be followed, enforce those.

mrtnmcc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What does it even mean to "get updates from China"?

Software these days is distributed and globalized in virtually every sense. Polestar is headquartered in Sweden and much of their software development is in the UK.

eps an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It means that Polestar's ultimate owner is a state-aligned Chinese conglomerate.

The devs, in the UK or not, will do what it tells them to do.

crote 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Volvo's ultimate owner is the same state-aligned Chinese conglomerate.

The question isn't "why ban Polestar", it is "why ban Polestar without banning Volvo". They are both headquartered in Sweden, they are both owned by the same conglomerate, and they are often even both manufactured in the same factories. So what makes them different enough to warrant banning only one of them?

chvid 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are no concrete guidelines or rules as this article illustrates.

Anoian 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The audacity of the USA to do this to the entire world but banning anything foreign that does it to them.