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arw0n 4 hours ago

I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views.

Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet.

That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog suggests that talent and execution is incredibly important. A year ago none of my normie friends new them, and when i suggested using Claude looked at me like when I recommend Linux.

janalsncm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.

thot_experiment 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Not true, aggressive post training makes models notably dumber.

bwhiting2356 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It affects their ability to hire and retain talent.

janalsncm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If training a good model requires talent then that’s the answer to the question this thread is trying to answer: is training a good model actually that hard?

black_knight 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would these be independent?

janalsncm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

More specifically, political lobotomy shouldn’t affect coding ability.

girvo 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You’d be quite surprised, I think. Fine tuning a model on one axis can have drastic impacts on another that as a human we would expect to be completely unrelated.

Discordian93 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yet empirically it does

Hamuko 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It's all a bunch of weights isn't it? Why wouldn't fiddling with some parts of the weights have cascading effects?