| ▲ | akudha 3 hours ago |
| My guess would be - there is way more primitive explanation than setting an example etc (which is also a good reason, from their point of view). It is just plain ego and pettiness - we see it everywhere, even from a manager who has 3 people reporting to him. Why else would Zuck cheat on a board game, of all things? That too in private? It might just be as primitive as "I have more money than God, therefore I am better than everyone else, nobody dare to challenge/disrespect me even in the slightest". Blind rage can make people do things that they themselves can't understand |
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| ▲ | dahart 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > It is just plain ago and pettiness […] Why else would Zuck cheat on a board game Recently I felt somewhat enlightened on this point, specifically in regards to Trump cheating at golf and some of his bald-faced lies, but I’d speculate it applies here too. Others pointed out to me that while it might look petty and ridiculous to normal people, it’s a social power move to get away with things, and serves the purpose of testing what can be gotten away with, and practicing or exercising the push dynamic. It may have little to do with winning a board game, and a lot to do with seeing what people will tolerate and what the thresholds are for being called out; it’s a test of one’s intimidation factor. It may be somewhat important that the cheating is visible. It can also be social signaling to see who comes to their defense when called out, which is an effect that has been playing out on the national stage with obvious lies being repeated, defended, or excused. It’s not about what’s true, but about people showing the rule breaker who’s on their side, and giving them the power to break rules. This, BTW, to me is a depressing and pessimistic view of power and politics and humanity, and I don’t think these kinds of power moves are something to aspire to, nor do they always work. But as a framework I have to admit it has a lot of explanatory power. |
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| ▲ | jordanb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is called "Fuckery:" I tell you a lie. You know it's a lie. I know you know it's a lie. But you have to pretend that you believe it because of the power I have over you. The Fuckery is a demonstration of that power. | | |
| ▲ | raincom 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It is called sycophancy. That's how the powerful and the wealthy are enabled by underlings. | |
| ▲ | eastbound 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Like the Covid, the “you don’t need masks” and the “We didn’t know”? | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes. It serves to identify the people who will go along with lies and bullshit and who won't speak out It's a test of loyalty via a show of power |
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| ▲ | johnvanommen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It may have little to do with winning a board game, and a lot to do with seeing what people will tolerate and what the thresholds are for being called out; it’s a test of one’s intimidation factor. It’s one of the most famous scenes in The Wire: when Marlo steals a lollipop. | |
| ▲ | mindslight an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't know how much this applies to cheating at Catan. Regardless of social standing, few people are going to stop you from cheating at Catan because it helps everyone's goal - to be done with the game of Catan. Although perhaps repeatedly making people play Catan is itself that social power move. | | | |
| ▲ | deepfriedchokes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What you are describing is Narcissistic Personality Disorder behavior. It is psychological abuse. | |
| ▲ | martythemaniak 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is a good observation, because this tactic is a hallmark of Putin and authoritarianism in general. What he does just lie about something where he knows it's a lie and the audience knows it's a lie, and he knows that the audience knows that he's lying, but the audience is powerless to correct him, so it is his way of demonstrating his power over the audience. He is saying to them that he is so powerful and dominating that he is in charge of their reality. Masha Gessen has written a fair bit about this. | |
| ▲ | api an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Liars like to lie, and you often see them express what's called "duper's delight" at fooling people. Dark triad types (narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths) will often lie about petty things just to get off on their ability to mislead people. It's also a form of gaslighting. It makes people doubt their sanity, because nobody would lie about such a thing. It creates an aura of reality distortion around such people and inside that aura they can define reality as they see fit. Until we learn to see through this stuff and stop elevating such people to positions of extreme power, we deserve what we get. Unfortunately there’s a pretty large number of people who actually think we need people like this to “do things.” It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. If you stack the ranks of power with dark triad types, then of course that’s the only kind of person who can work in that world. You create a world where only toxic people can get things done and then are surprised that only toxic people can get things done. |
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| ▲ | bconsta an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Too similar to Goldfinger cheating at cards and golf to not make me chuckle. |
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| ▲ | leoc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The story about cheating at Scrabble bears a fairly close resemblance to the episode in the Tintin comic Flight 714 https://tintin.fandom.com/wiki/Flight_714 in which megarich industrialist Laszlo Carreidas cheats at Battleship while flying on his private jet https://www.reddit.com/r/PeterExplainsTheJoke/comments/1i6cv... . If the Scrabble incident really did happen then it's uncomfortable how close it comes to a fictional detail deliberately written to make Carreidas look unscrupulous and a bit ridiculous. |
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| ▲ | hsvsy65 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Some times its just underling opportunists (which is basically zucks inner circle at this point) defending the empire. Keeping that stupid child emperor on the throne is in their interest. |
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| ▲ | kylecazar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This applies to Elon's incredibly strange video game cheating scandal too. It's pathetic and weird. |
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| ▲ | altairprime an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This all makes a lot more sense when you consider that Elon Musk is trying to dethrone/succeed Richard Branson, but can only manage a knockoff-grade impersonation at best. Cheating is about the feeling of defeating other people without the moral restrictions against cheating that obviously limit them, but cheaters aren’t attractive to non-cheaters; thus the sockpuppet account, to get that prized feeling of defeat without damaging the main caricature. | |
| ▲ | rustystump an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That was i think the most revealing thing about his character bar none because of how mundane it all was. Anyone with a tiny bit of video game background called that out from miles away. It was so pathetic. Richest dude in world with spaceship company. Has nothing to prove. Cheats, lies, and gaslights when caught. Has to be “number one” at a video game that has virtually zero skill where rank is almost entirely who grinds more. Eg time. What a weird and sad thing to do. So unimaginably insecure. Any billionaire you know the name of, is probably not too far off from this. There are alot of rich people who are secure with themselves. Zuck aint one if em. |
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| ▲ | uxhacker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For a bit more context the Belarusian activist built on the anti communist Polish Activist Waldemar "Major" Fydrych who in the 1980’s was arrested by the communist authorities in Poland for handing out female sanitary products. As he said “The Western World will find out much more about the situation in Poland from hearing that I was put to jail for giving tampons to a woman, than from reading the books and articles written by other people from the opposition.” |
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| ▲ | IncreasePosts 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe it's the same thing with we see with many (but not all) sports stars. Getting fame and fortune at a young age ossifies any kind of personal development that happens in people after that point. |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hallmarks of a sociopath. Trying to rationalize what he does in terms of normal ethics and motivations is a fool's errand. |
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| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Or perhaps Zuck didn't cheat on the board game, and the claim that he did is one of the purported falsehoods Meta says the book contains. That would also explain it. |
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| ▲ | rwmj 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If he really doesn't cheat at board games, the power move would be to completely ignore the accuser. | | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest an hour ago | parent [-] | | I agree, but she also made other accusations that can't be so easily ignored. Meta can't really have no comment on someone who's going around saying that Sheryl Sandberg and Joel Kaplan both sexually harassed her on the job. |
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