| ▲ | dahart 2 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||
> It is just plain ago and pettiness […] Why else would Zuck cheat on a board game Recently I felt somewhat enlightened on this point, specifically in regards to Trump cheating at golf and some of his bald-faced lies, but I’d speculate it applies here too. Others pointed out to me that while it might look petty and ridiculous to normal people, it’s a social power move to get away with things, and serves the purpose of testing what can be gotten away with, and practicing or exercising the push dynamic. It may have little to do with winning a board game, and a lot to do with seeing what people will tolerate and what the thresholds are for being called out; it’s a test of one’s intimidation factor. It may be somewhat important that the cheating is visible. It can also be social signaling to see who comes to their defense when called out, which is an effect that has been playing out on the national stage with obvious lies being repeated, defended, or excused. It’s not about what’s true, but about people showing the rule breaker who’s on their side, and giving them the power to break rules. This, BTW, to me is a depressing and pessimistic view of power and politics and humanity, and I don’t think these kinds of power moves are something to aspire to, nor do they always work. But as a framework I have to admit it has a lot of explanatory power. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jordanb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
This is called "Fuckery:" I tell you a lie. You know it's a lie. I know you know it's a lie. But you have to pretend that you believe it because of the power I have over you. The Fuckery is a demonstration of that power. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | johnvanommen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
> It may have little to do with winning a board game, and a lot to do with seeing what people will tolerate and what the thresholds are for being called out; it’s a test of one’s intimidation factor. It’s one of the most famous scenes in The Wire: when Marlo steals a lollipop. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | mindslight an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
I don't know how much this applies to cheating at Catan. Regardless of social standing, few people are going to stop you from cheating at Catan because it helps everyone's goal - to be done with the game of Catan. Although perhaps repeatedly making people play Catan is itself that social power move. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | deepfriedchokes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
What you are describing is Narcissistic Personality Disorder behavior. It is psychological abuse. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | martythemaniak 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
This is a good observation, because this tactic is a hallmark of Putin and authoritarianism in general. What he does just lie about something where he knows it's a lie and the audience knows it's a lie, and he knows that the audience knows that he's lying, but the audience is powerless to correct him, so it is his way of demonstrating his power over the audience. He is saying to them that he is so powerful and dominating that he is in charge of their reality. Masha Gessen has written a fair bit about this. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | api an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
Liars like to lie, and you often see them express what's called "duper's delight" at fooling people. Dark triad types (narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths) will often lie about petty things just to get off on their ability to mislead people. It's also a form of gaslighting. It makes people doubt their sanity, because nobody would lie about such a thing. It creates an aura of reality distortion around such people and inside that aura they can define reality as they see fit. Until we learn to see through this stuff and stop elevating such people to positions of extreme power, we deserve what we get. Unfortunately there’s a pretty large number of people who actually think we need people like this to “do things.” It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. If you stack the ranks of power with dark triad types, then of course that’s the only kind of person who can work in that world. You create a world where only toxic people can get things done and then are surprised that only toxic people can get things done. | ||||||||||||||||||||