| ▲ | mlinsey 4 hours ago |
| I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access |
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| ▲ | zarzavat a minute ago | parent | next [-] |
| Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with and so they pulled the model for everyone. I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. A lawsuit would be a hard sell though, because Anthropic themselves argued that the technology is dangerous. Even if many people on HN might think that Anthropic was scaremongering about Mythos, a court is probably going to take their assessment at face value. |
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| ▲ | naturalmovement 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Export control is not illegal where are you coming up with this stuff? Claiming ignorance is a good way to pay tens of millions of $ in fines or do prison time. The people in charge of enforcing US export law are worse than city building inspectors and the penalties are orders of magnitude more severe. They're not people you want to mess with, ignore, or pretend you didn't know the rules. |
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| ▲ | siva7 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| sue? whom? usa? have fun.. |
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| ▲ | threethirtytwo 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Also there’s no incentive to fight. They already have one of the best models. Mythos remains a trump card when a competitor releases an even better model. |
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| ▲ | bluegatty 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There's huge incentive. The government has arbitrary commandeered their business. This could ruin Anthropic. They are walking a tight rope with respect to revenues, hype, IPO. If this kills their hyper growth prospects, it could kill the IPO. If there's a serious change the gov. is out of line, the judges could put a stay and possibly throw this out. There may however be enough of a case, in which there's maybe not much they can do. Having a crazy person completely control your business is very, very bad. |
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| ▲ | intrasight 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| They could just ignore Trump as he has no authority to so limit a private company. |
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| ▲ | mlinsey 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The labs will not just ignore the order, there are too many other levers they can try to pull to mess with those companies. Just for some examples, think about the number of employees reliant on visas that could be revoked, the government contracts that the hyperscalers hosting them that could be canceled, the certifications that all the data centers need to be hooked up to the grid, the tariffs that could be put on critical components, the IPOs that need to be approved by regulators, the bill introduced in Congress to seize 50% of their equity... Lots of these moves would and should be struck down in court as an arbitrary and capricious use of administrative power. Some of them might not be, and in the meantime you're signing up for tons of trouble. A trillion-dollar company does not simply go to war with the US government. A more mid-sized company that's not so intertwined, but not so small that they can't get a good legal team, might be another story. | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | These regulations have been in place since the 1990s and have been applied by every administration. It isn’t a new authority and many companies have had the opportunity to fight it. Anthropic’s lawyers will know this. | | |
| ▲ | LamaOfRuin 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | None of them have asserted that export controls apply to whatever domestic distribution the administration says that never leaves the country. |
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| ▲ | naturalmovement 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ignoring US export control laws that have been on the books for nearly 50 years is a good way to pay millions of $ in fines and/or land in pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Ask every satellite launch company in the 90s how that worked out. | |
| ▲ | ericmay an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes he does. They could ignore the US government, but will likely quickly find themselves in court fighting a fight that they are likely to lose and isn’t worth fighting anyway. | | |
| ▲ | mcmcmc 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not just in court. The Trump admin would have no problem dragging them in off the street. You can now get a 50 year terrorism sentence for punishing zines - I imagine flagrantly granting access to unapproved parties would be treated similarly. |
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| ▲ | jvanderbot an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Aside from how brazen and stupid this would be, the executive branch does have ways of limiting them and their sharing of tech, as we've seen. |
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