| ▲ | felooboolooomba 6 hours ago |
| > they can never be taken away Your right to 3d print whatever you want is about to be taken away (in California). What software you can run on your computer can already be restricted. Absolutely everything can be taken away. The simplest way to remove open models is probably to declare them a tool that terrorists could use. Crazy? Yes, the world is totally crazy these days. |
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| ▲ | redox99 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| That only affects people in California. Whereas Fable being shut down affects people all over the world. |
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| ▲ | anticorporate 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's also, importantly, a distinction between what are told we can no longer use, and what can actually be taken away. Open source and open hardware can be called illegal by a government, but, if we collectively invest our energy into open alternatives, they can't be taken away in the same sense. I can build a RepRap printer and I can use a local AI model. It's on all of us to make sure that the open alternatives are viable, maybe in the current global political reality now more than ever. Making something illegal isn't a disincentive for everyone. When they start banning books, some of us start assembling printing presses. | | |
| ▲ | echoangle 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Believe me, if the government wants to stop you from having access to something like that, they could do it. Just give people some incentive to report you and make really harsh punishments and everyone will be thinking really hard about how bad they want have access. | | |
| ▲ | Zetaphor an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Because that has worked so well for: * Drugs * Media piracy * Alcohol * Sex work * Unlicensed gambling The government is not an all powerful entity with absolute control over its people. Even in countries under past and present dictatorship there are examples of people getting access to what the government deemed as illegal. | |
| ▲ | dvngnt_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They can stop piracy or child predators. what makes you think they can prevent access to running models that require no internet access to run | |
| ▲ | anticorporate 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well, sure. The same could be said of any freedom they want to take away. The responsibility is on us to preserve those freedoms. Free software, open hardware, right to repair, privacy tools, etc. will all be the weapons of the people in the fight against totalitarianism. | |
| ▲ | bijowo1676 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | the government is not God, they cant do much beyond declaring anything bad. It is on people to realize we have the ultimate power and oppose the overreach of government in all ways we can to keep our freedoms. Freedom is not free, after all | |
| ▲ | danny_codes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fortunately we have both a democracy and a constitution, making those sorts of things hard for the government to do. |
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| ▲ | vitally3643 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just like declaring piracy illegal stopped piracy and removed pirated materials from everyone's computers. Everything cannot, in fact, be taken away. Don't propagandize yourself. Some things, like information, are free. Not even China can prevent all its citizens from accessing Western internet. USGov simply does not have the resources to find and audit every hard drive and USB stick in the country for illegal files. The internet cannot be censored 100% without literally cutting every cable and confiscating every radio. The software that runs on my computer cannot, in fact, be restricted. It can be declared illegal, but there literally is no mechanism by which it can be enforced other than a government goon standing over my shoulder 24/7. Some freedoms really cannot be removed without utterly implausible amounts of effort. Arguing otherwise is helping to erode freedom. So stop it. |
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| ▲ | citadel_melon an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe we can each get assigned an AI government goon to look over our shoulders 24/7. Maybe each neuron in my brain will have their own subagent goon. Each mitochondria gets their own subagent government goon. The government will perfectly model my every move. They will perfectly model the smell of my asparagus piss aroma. | |
| ▲ | NamlchakKhandro 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You wouldn't download a car? | | | |
| ▲ | Simran-B 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Remote attestation? | | |
| ▲ | advael 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | On PCs, the best you could really do is restrict access to certain websites on certain boxes with TPMs the users can't disable. Remote attestation can lock people out of your stuff, but not out of their own stuff. For that you need control of the device. Of course, most mobile phones aren't easy for the user to have control of, but most PCs still are, so long as you scrub the rootkits (e.g. windows) off 'em | |
| ▲ | bijowo1676 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | it doesnt even work in the government's own servers to protect their own shit |
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| ▲ | jgalt212 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > What software you can run on your computer can already be restricted. Are laws that are inherently unenforceable even laws? |
