| ▲ | mortarion 6 hours ago |
| Örebropartiet is not a extremist far-right party. All their policies is extreme far-left except immigration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party |
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| ▲ | ortusdux 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory |
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| ▲ | gpm 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This sounds very much far right and not left at all to me > Markus Allard takes inspiration from marxist ideology[32] and unites the "productive" classes of society against the "Transferiat", with the "Transferiat" being a term coined by Allard to describe the classes of society that lives off of transfers that are a net negative for society such as those who, despite having an ability to work, live off of social welfare benefits, as well as those who work "made-up services"[33] that the party deems serve no societal function, such as bureaucrats, consultants, public sector communications specialists, strategists and HR-specialists. It's practically a copy and paste of the ideology behind "doge". |
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| ▲ | irthomasthomas 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sounds like a branch of the Technocracy movement which Musks grandfather helped found. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman "The technocracy movement proposed replacing partisan politicians and business people with scientists and engineers who had the technical expertise to manage the economy" | | |
| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Whoa whoa whoa. I don't think it's at all fair trying to throw Technocracy under the bus. The guilt by association doesn't look great! But Technocracy was interesting. It had some hopes & values, and it wanted people thinking and working materially, scientifically, having a perception of the world better than just money. It had some real neat idea. Wild & absurd? Yes that too. But I don't enjoy the casual drive by shoot down! | | |
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| ▲ | Saline9515 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is actually very far left, just not the current wealthy-urban-lgbtq far left. USSR marxists and Maoists held the same views, where the individual's main function was to work and refusal to work or low productivity required either reformation (aka often, Gulag) or hunger. "Those how do not work, do not eat" - Mao Interestingly, psychoanalysis in the USSR was aimed at helping the patient to go back to work, for instance. | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is just a rephrasing of the lumpenproletariat, coupled with the professional-managerial class. You could also refer to the latter as a modern version of the lumpenbourgeoisie (although this term is applied rather broadly). It sounds more like pro-labor, pro-work, anti-lumpen Marxism. In no way “right-wing” unless you want to call North Korea “right-wing”, which is a very ultra-left thing to do (what orthodox Marxists call left deviationism). | |
| ▲ | ShinyLeftPad 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | By your logic USSR was far right. | | |
| ▲ | gpm 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, I'm fairly sure you could not find a quote like that about the USSR. | | |
| ▲ | ShinyLeftPad 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You would be wrong. The people you described were called "тунеядцы" in USSR. With a possible exception of bureaucrats who existed as a result of centralized government but were also called "a barrier for the working class" by Lenin etc. I also highly doubt USSR would accommodate people who move in and don't bother to integrate into the culture and speak Russian. Ask people from entire countries where Moscow did Russification, and those people didn't even move in from outside they already lived there. | |
| ▲ | pigpop 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The trial of Joseph Brodsky is a fascinating insight into the workings of the USSR https://www.nytimes.com/1972/10/01/archives/the-trial-of-jos... They had strong opinions of what was deemed "socially useful" work and were not above abolishing those pursuits they deemed to be useless. All able-bodied people were expected to work (in approved roles) and you would be provided a job if you couldn't find one but if you refused to work they would deem you a "social parasite" and prosecute you if you didn't reform your behavior. Somehow, people seem to forget that Marxism is an ideology of workers. | | |
| ▲ | jalapenoj 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Somehow, people seem to forget that Marxism is an ideology of workers. Not really, Marx and company were nobles, lawyers, etc. The ideology concerns provoking a civil war and taking over, workers rights is just the rhetoric to cause the revolution. The worker’s paradise never materializes because it’s not actually about that. | | |
| ▲ | pigpop 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is true but the ideology was packaged and sold as a movement for the working class. My observation had more to do with the modern interpretation of it as somehow being a license to not work, which appears comical when compared with how it was instituted. Not all of the component parts of the ideology are necessarily false due to their introduction and popularization by Marx. Personally, I find his writings obtuse and his beliefs abhorrent. There is, however, merit in the idea that the state should benefit its people, a large percentage of which are the productive working class, but it shouldn't be ruled by the working class. The state is its people and their culture, it shouldn't oppose their interests or subjugate and exploit them for the advancement of ideals alien to them. |
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| ▲ | mortarion 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies. Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right. As written on Wikipedia, "left-conservative" is probably the best label. The Swedish far-left loves to, for instance, brand the governing party in Denmark as far-right, but they are actually also left-conservative. It is possible (shocker) to be liberal and progressive, whilst also being pro-assimilation, pro-deportation, anti-immigration. | | |
| ▲ | gpm 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies. Yes, but the behavior in that quote, cutting social services, is none of the above. Using language associated with far left movements while promoting far right policies leaves you as a far right party. > Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right Literally nothing in the quote I quoted is about immigration (though they hit that checkbox as well and it absolutely does swing you to the right). | | |
| ▲ | ShinyLeftPad 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > cutting social services By providing free healthcare and dental care or at least reducing out of pocket costs? |
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| ▲ | creaturemachine 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | National Socialism in a nutshell. | |
| ▲ | rationalist 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In the U.S., before Trump was elected, immigration control and deportating illegal immigrants were things that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ("left" politicians) campaigned on. | | |
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| ▲ | vrganj 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Would you say they are... national socialists then? And they're not just anti-immigration, they're pro-ethnical cleansing of people already living there. |
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| ▲ | Saline9515 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are many flavors of national socialism, in reality nazis should be called hitlerians because of this. | |
| ▲ | fsmedberg 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Try radical populist left-economic-leaning nationalists | | | |
| ▲ | elzbardico 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | anonym29 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >they're pro-ethnical cleansing of people already living there source? | | |
| ▲ | gpm 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | From the wikipedia article linked above... > In 2026 ÖP party leader Markus Allard sparked controversy on several occasions. In a debate hosted by Studio3 with Liberal member of parliament Martin Melin, Allard asked: "why won't the Liberals push for deporting 100 000 social welfare-Somalis?" and in the same debate said that "Sweden belongs to the Swedes. We have to make sure that we take care of our own damn people and we must deport these damn parasites who sit and live at our expense." | | |
| ▲ | anonym29 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | "ethnic cleansing" is an emotionally charged term that conjures genocide in the popular imagination. It is not a good descriptive term for what can rightly be described as regressive or ultra-nationalistic migration policy. | | |
| ▲ | teh64 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is the definition from wikipedia:
"Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous." How does what Allard said not fit this definition? | | |
| ▲ | constantius 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't have a horse in this race, but all the quotes here were based on nationality, not on the characteristics listed in your quote: the party wants to deport illegal immigrants and immigrants who are not "economically integrated", because Swede is not an ethnicity. Being left and anti-immigration is not an oxymoron. Though I must say, based on some comments here, that people who are defending the party's ideology do seem to read it in terms of race... | | |
| ▲ | cherry_tree 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No, a Somali who immigrated to Sweden is nationality wise Swedish and ethnicity wise Somali. The quote clearly says to expel Somalis and makes no distinction between ethnicity and nationality. Why do apologia for racism anyways? Weird stuff dude. |
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| ▲ | anonym29 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is Allard advocating for removing everyone from immigrant backgrounds? I got the impression that Allard only wanted to remove criminals and net tax recipients, e.g. not removing law abiding, tax-paying, assimilated members of Swedish society, regardless of ethnicity/race/background. |
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| ▲ | 10xDev 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You are essentially calling for a civil war. Reason why Russia pushes these ideas under fake "patriot" accounts. | | |
| ▲ | snackerblues an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | A country has the right to determine who lives within it. A people has a right to protect their future. If you want to start a civil war to protect random migrants in whatever White country you live in, be my guest. Thankfully most people are sane enough to not support ending their own country's future and you will lose as hilariously as you deserve. | |
| ▲ | ShinyLeftPad 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Would it be a civil war if it was a law passed by elected government? | | | |
| ▲ | anonym29 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are you trying to respond to a different comment? I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said. P.S. Fuck Putin, Slava Ukraini! |
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| ▲ | gpm 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ethnic cleansing is an emotionally charged term, yes, because the crime against of humanity of deporting an entire population is absolutely horrific and a very close neighbour to genocide. The proposed policy here is squarely what Rome Statute, Article 7 (1)(d) is intended to prevent. Sweden is a party to the treaty. | |
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| ▲ | josefritzishere 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Seems more complicated than that, in reading the wiki. |
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| ▲ | whalesalad 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Wild. I spent about 3 months living in Örebro while on contract with a company based there. |
