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timschmidt 6 hours ago

New chips from Realtek burn < 2W for the chip and < 3-4W for the board: https://www.servethehome.com/cheap-10gbe-realtek-rtl8127-nic...

numpad0 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

4W is TDP for some of Pi-style mini computers. Lots of them have fans.

timschmidt 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Pi 4 and 5 both idle around 3W. But a Pi 5 can pull up to 16W with a USB peripheral, full CPU load, and decoding 4k video. The Pi 4 / 5 will run OKish without a heatsink at idle wattages, but thermal throttle quickly if you attempt to do something intensive.

These realtek 10gbe chips are more in the range of the Pi Zero class machines (0.5W idle, 2W loaded) which don't often come with heatsinks though they might benefit from them. If it has a good thermal connection to a good thick ground plane on the PCB, that's worth almost as much as a passive heatsink on the top of the chip.

usb-c < card edge < motherboard integrated in terms of how much heat can be transfered through the connection. Where the motherboard would have the largest ground plane to soak up heat from such an IC and dissipate it passively. The usb-c module is worst case by being a small enclosed box with very little thermal connection through the plastic insulating housing. An aluminum enclosure might dissipate enough heat passively to make it pleasant to use.

devmor 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> The Pi 4 / 5 will run OKish without a heatsink at idle wattages, but thermal throttle quickly if you attempt to do something intensive.

Even with a heatsink and fan, I had to upgrade to a higher quality set to keep Jellyfin from thermal throttling a Pi5 while transcoding 4K video.

merpkz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Raspberry Pi 4 doesn't need a fan. People just like to put them on because because micromanaging CPU temperature is part of the hobby for some. Yes it might throttle its CPU speed when going full tilt for some time, but lets be real how many workloads require poor Raspberry Pi to be loaded 100% for prolonged periods of time?

rjzzleep 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it throttles CPU it means by definition means that a fan helps. Also constant heat increases failure rate.

parineum 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

Cycles of heating and cooling are what increases failure rates. The thermal expansion and contraction causes issues.

msh an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Running plex/jellyfin :)

userbinator 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

...and yet they're still covered by a huge heatsink.

mystifyingpoi 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To add perspective, an old-school 7805 voltage regulator dissipating just 1 watt is already impossibly hot to hold with bare hand (as me how I know). So 3-4 watts on a small module will make it noticeably hot.

drnick1 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They aren't huge at all, the new RTL cards are tiny. I wish 2-port versions were available for a home server upgrade.