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alpineman 5 hours ago

>> “I’ve been thinking about writing an essay on the kind of mistakes that are made by college graduates booing or otherwise dissing AI,” he said. As if speaking to all of Gen Z, he added: “You guys have the opportunity to be generation AI—where you come into the workforce saying, ‘I know this a lot better than all of you"

Quite patronising. Maybe they really do know it a lot better than you, Reid, but not in the way you think. Maybe they see through the hype and hustle culture and are more interested in working towards fulfilling lives and jobs.

lp4v4n 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He is just being solipsistic and talking to a small circle of wealthy and well-connected Gen Zs that he probably knows in real life or who are part of his acquaintances. Or do you really think that people with his level of wealth remotely care about real career paths for the average youth?

epistasis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't know anybody with Hoffman's level of wealth, but I have come across a fair number of people with close to a billion dollars of wealth that now split their time between enjoying time with their own family and then trying to pursue philanthropy and non-profits meant to improve everybody's life in the community.

I run into them because of their attempts to improve the community. And there are those who do it super quietly, give big, and do everything they can to avoid getting credit for it; there's another Silicon Valley Reed that does this in my community. Steve Jobs apparently did this too, big donations but anonymously.

Do not take the blabbering idiots on the All-In podcast as representative of all of Silicon Valley, the old Valley was far different than those people and there are still plenty of people that pursue wealth not for the purposes of their own self-aggrandizement and power.

pydry 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Ive also run into a few and they were without question some of the biggest assholes I ever met in my life.

I don't think theyre special. Years of being surrounded by yes men and sycophants will probably do that to most people.

One of them in particular was much less toxic and relatable pre-billions.

zdragnar 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> I don't think theyre special

Where did you get that from the comment you replied to? They merely pointed out you couldn't paint everyone with the same brush, which is pretty much the definition of 'not special'.

pydry 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I didn't. The point was that that amount of money turns most people into assholes.

Many of them donate money but it doesnt make them any less of an asshole.

zdragnar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If we're casting aspersions, I guess based on my personal experiences of people in poverty, lower, middle and upper classes, then

> most people into assholes

might just be a you problem. Get out and meet more people, and if you're still surrounded by assholes, then the real asshole is probably you.

People are people everywhere. Money really doesn't change that as much as you're implying.

pydry an hour ago | parent [-]

you seem weirdly committed to defending the billionaire class.

most people probably do have the capacity to be raging assholes but society doesn't indulge their every whim and prejudice or stroke their ego constantly. so they aren't.

epistasis an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Power, including financial power, reveals who people really are without constraints. President Johnson has to be my favorite example of this, he spent a political career kowtowing to racists, enforcing racism where he needed to in order to acquire power, and then when full power was finally thrust on him by JFK's assassination, he flips and pushes through key legislation from the Civil Rights Movement.

I certainly didn't put forward an idea that having money makes people less of an asshole. Somebody who gives it away in a non-assholish way certainly makes them less of an asshole.

Or is your contention that anybody with money is an asshole, without exception?

joquarky 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

At the very least, I would question the motive of people who defend billionaires.

epistasis 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

Who do you believe is doing this? The implication, I guess, would be me, but I wasn't talking about strictly "billionaires". What is the wealth cutoff here, and how?

mahoho 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's time to give up your silly cynicism, embrace being a professional slop shoveler and doing work with higher volume, more repetition and less creativity than ever.

intended 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The slip mines need more PhD labour to label stuff - that’s your future and you better learn to love it.

FeteCommuniste 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The sloppings will continue until morale improves.

emil-lp 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've embraced it, and I'm coding faster than all my colleagues, some days I open more PRs than the rest of my team combined.

evandrofisico 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you earning more money or working fewer hours? Are you eating healthier meals, with better sleeping quality? Because all I read is that you are generating more money for the shareholders.

RattlesnakeJake 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are your colleagues slower because they're spending all their time reviewing your PRs?

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jknoepfler 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I sincerely hope this comment is satire.

emil-lp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I forgot the `/s` and now my Karma is gone...

joquarky 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The last decade has been quite a workout for Poe's Law.

jknoepfler 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ha, well you've restored a fraction of my optimism about humanity.

shimman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People like Reid Hoffman do far more damage to the Democratic party than he does helping it. Also don't look well that a member of Epstein's tech leadership, and personal friend, is telling workers how to feel and think.

jknoepfler 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah that struck me as shallow, tone-deaf and ignorant.

People have very good, very legitimate reasons for "booing" GenAI.

Most human interactions with GenAI are either with corpo sludge or overly cheerful, dangerously useless text generators.

The technology is steadily eroding businesses from the inside out in the same way offshoring did in the 90s.

There's a massive crash looming that is going to crater the economy for years... caused by criminally irresponsible circular investment and silicon valley grift.

Not really what I'd want to tether my identity to.

tennfown 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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jcgrillo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Such an out of touch attempt to get the youths onboard the hype train.. ok boomer.

andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> ok boomer.

Reid Hoffman is not a boomer. He was born in 1967. Also: ageism isn't sexy.

jedimastert 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The usage of the phrase has evolved past carrying about the actual generation (kind of like how people still talk about "millennials" like they're college students).

Also, Hoffman very intentionally opened the door to talking about generational differences, this kind of feels like the commenter may have touched a nerve

win311fwg 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> kind of like how people still talk about "millennials" like they're college students

Is that really an evolution? "Millennial" was coined to refer to the cohort that gradated from high school in the year 2000. Not all high school graduates become college students, of course, but if we are generalizing it isn't unreasonable to think of recent high school graduates as college students.

Now, there was nothing in the definition to declare if you must continue to recognize them for who they are going forward (i.e. 40-somethings now), or if you are to remember them in that moment as high school graduates, many of whom were college bound. So still thinking of "millennials" as being college students is a fair interpretation before evolution.

andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Ok boomer", as I understand it, basically means "I'm not going to engage seriously with that outdated perspective", often used to shut down a conversation rather than to continue it.

I don't know that what Reid is expressing is an outdated perspective, but that's of course subjective.

jcgrillo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> You guys have the opportunity to be generation AI—where you come into the workforce saying, ‘I know this a lot better than all of you'

Yeah, it was expressly my intent to shut this kind of nonsense down. This is just a different version of "get on board right now or you'll all be left behind". Enough with the lying.

andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This version is more effective in expressing your sentiment, FWIW.

SpicyLemonZest 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think it's a different version of that at all? Presumably what he has in mind is the Internet transition. Nobody got "left behind" from the Internet, even cranky 80 year olds are often pretty familiar these days, but people like Reid Hoffman achieved "fulfilling lives and jobs" by recognizing early that it was going to be a big deal.

jcgrillo an hour ago | parent [-]

> Nobody got "left behind" from the Internet, even cranky 80 year olds...

This is actually false. There are plenty of 80+ year olds in care facilities and living alone that are disadvantaged by the implicit assumption that everyone has a smartphone or an email address. Unable to communicate with their bank, insurance company, care providers, etc. All down to your "inclusive progress".

Call it what it is: an extractive, inhumane power grab meant to monopolize everyone's attention.

And that was tech's Big Success Story. Everything since has been trying to re-live those glory days.

jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The usage of the phrase has evolved into a thought terminating cliche.

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Also: ageism isn't sexy

Biology is ageist. The youngest baby boomers are still in their early 60s, and not yet subject to a precipitous-decline cut-off, but the median Boomer is about 71 and probably past it [1].

Given every President since 1993—with the exception of Obama—was born in 1942 or 1946 [2], I think it’s fair to admit this whole an-eighty-year-old-is-the-same-as-a-thirty-year-old tripe has swung to an untenable extreme.

Race is a social construct. Age is not. Mixing them up is fundamentally wrong and, I’d argue, dangerous.

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4906299/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Unit...

mschuster91 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Race is a social construct. Age is not. Mixing them up is fundamentally wrong and, I’d argue, dangerous.

Even worse. Our entire society, hell our biology is based on old people retiring to leave space for the young to develop themselves. When you got gerontocrats in power for too long and after them boomers, all you'll end with in 20 years is a bunch of dead boomers and gen silent, and a bunch of gen y/z that never had the opportunity to actually learn leadership skills and failing spectacularly as a result.

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Our entire society, hell our biology is based on old people retiring to leave space for the young to develop themselves

This strikes me as a spin on the lump-of-labor fallacy.

The problem with a gerontocracy is you have masses in cognitive and physical decline at the peaks of power. Absent that condition, the model isn’t fundamentally broken. (You would probably see more patricide in hereditary lines…) Old people aren’t a problem, aged people in command are.

That’s what makes the comparison to race interesting—a society that brain drains gets wealthier for everyone. If we made our immigration 65+ only, on the other hand, it would be an almost-immediate disaster.

watwut 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Our entire society, hell our biology is based on old people retiring to leave space for the young to develop themselves.

No it is not. People retire, because they dont have strength to work anymore. They have no duty to give up their lives just because you want to take it from them.

mschuster91 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> No it is not. People retire, because they dont have strength to work anymore.

That's part of the problem, we shifted from an agrarian to industrial and now service economy. Unlike the first two, in a service economy you can work until old age finally takes you.

jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We have a duty to take it from them because their incompetence is beyond dispute at this point.

The gerontocrats running the US government are a complete disaster and need to be replaced as rapidly as possible.

malcolmgreaves 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s not ageism. Don’t be so sensitive.

jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It is 100% ageism.

The entire point is to reduce the value of a person’s opinion to only their age.

jcgrillo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm old too, it isn't about that. He's desperately trying to guilt young people into glomming onto his profoundly uncool thing by playing on some ancient "digital native" trope. It's, well, some boomer type shit.

andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I suppose you likewise think of Sam A, Dario A, and Dennis H, as boomers because they're signaling the same, just not being as direct.

jcgrillo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

As far as I'm aware they never explicitly kicked the generational hornets' nest, but I'm not a scholar of AI goober drivel

mrhottakes 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Also: ageism isn't sexy.

Typical boomer needing things to be based on sex all the time.

3997531578 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

sex drives everything.

malcolmgreaves 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Ok boomer.

vonneumannstan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Maybe they see through the hype and hustle culture and are more interested in working towards fulfilling lives and jobs.

By living like recluses, doom scrolling Tiktok and gambling on Kalshi all day? Lol. They're hardly saints.

bobson381 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is largely escapism because the current paradigm of growth is ending, rather messily. The definition of living well is going through a forced change, and adjusting is hard.

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> the current paradigm of growth is ending, rather messily

There is zero evidence for this time being different. Instead, there is evidence of zombie leverage and corruption coming home to roost while the global growth engine shifts towards China.

bobson381 3 hours ago | parent [-]

it is the first time we have harnessed all of the energy on the planet at once to power a single interconnected advanced system across continents. Mostly I'm drawing from a thermodynamics outlook[0]. previous collapses had unused high quality energy in other areas to fall back on. I'd love to read more about the growth towards China being sustainable in that sense.

[0] https://youtu.be/5WPB2u8EzL8?si=doERoIYuYZYHLAAZ

JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> first time we have harnessed all of the energy on the planet at once

How are you defining “all of the energy on the planet”? By conventional definitions, no, we harness a tiny fraction of even just insolation.

bobson381 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Hmm. Mainly that access to much larger quantities of energy than before in the form of oil/coal/gas enabled the creation of a much more complex system than before, with a higher metabolic need.

Ongoing servicing of that metabolic need requires continuous access to the same or greater amount of energy year after year. The world burns through its annual resource budget in July this year.

As we continue to extract more and more, the energy return on energy invested goes down, so net energy availability drops, making it harder and more expensive to continue the current basal metabolic rate, let alone fueling continuous growth. Because so much is built atop the energy mechanism, instability happens when it's threatened or changed.x

So maybe a better turn of phrase would have been that it's the first time we've harnessed so much energy at once and effectively put a lot of energy slaves to use per each person. Like starting to use fossil fuel to create fertilizer that enables more people to survive famines, you create a scenario where you need ongoing access to the same or greater amount of energy just to keep up. Not saying it was the wrong choice, just that we tend to fix issues by making more complex solutions that introduce future resource need.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent [-]

> the energy return on energy invested goes down, so net energy availability drops

No? EROI going down is like margins going down–that doesn't mean profit stops growing, it just grows more slowly per unit of input.

Lower EROI on a much-larger energy base means we're producing more net new energy today than at any time in history. That would be expected to continue all the way to EROI being close to zero. Until EROI is negative, you wouldn't expect to see net energy availability drop. But we have no foreseeable place where that's the case given solar panels exist.

malfist 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

College students totally have the capital to gamble all day on kalshi.

vonneumannstan 2 hours ago | parent [-]

https://educationdata.org/student-loan-debt-statistics

drunner 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did we blame the kids for smoking back in the day too, or recognize the harm and regulate it out of their lives?

jedimastert 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fair, the youths very much much get blamed for smoking and gambling back in the day as well. Sort of pivotal to the story of Pinocchio, for example

vonneumannstan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not blaming anyone just pointing out how the idea that that generation is actually focused on living more meaningfully is farcical.

midasz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We made that world. There are very smart people who spent their talent making the most addictive social media as possible.

nh23423fefe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

As if being addicted is somehow exonerating. Inverting the valence doesn't work.

midasz 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think the comparison TikTok and Philip Morris tracks. Both spent insane amounts of money and talent optimizing the bad choices the addict could make.

win311fwg 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And even if they buy into what he is saying, that particular group are college graduates. They have already passed the window of opportunity one normally has to explore new ideas. They are in the phase of life where they have to hunker down and get to work. If this "generation AI" ever comes to fruition, it will be those who are still young enough today to be able spend most of their time playing.

jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent [-]

People should stop exploring new ideas the second they graduate college??

Sounds like a sad way to live.

win311fwg 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Should they? No. It is their life to live as they please. Imparting your expectations on them is of no use.

Will they? Generally, yes. Work, kids, partners, home maintenance, etc. tend to take priority once one becomes an "adult". There is only so much time in the day. That is, after all, why one seeks to front load their remaining life's idea exploration by going to college. Those who plan to explore ideas for the rest of their life simply do so. They don't need "hallowed halls".