| ▲ | White House app auto-downloads to government phones, can't be uninstalled(wired.com) |
| 29 points by pseudolus 5 hours ago | 26 comments |
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| ▲ | mmmlinux 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| People are only now concerned because they see the control that was always there, Now being exerted over their government work issued phones. |
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| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | People are concerned because they know that Donald Trump is an aspiring dictator. He doesn't want to install this app because he thinks it will serve some useful purpose, he wants to install it because he thinks the country and everyone in it is his property. If he's allowed to get away with this, at some point before he's overthrown, he's going to force you, personally, to install this app. When you object that this is crazy, his remaining true believers will make up some nonsense reason why we shouldn't be worried. | | |
| ▲ | aand16 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a work phone, I don't see the issue. | | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Is it a work phone because Trump has a principled belief that only work phones should have to install this app? Or is it a work phone because Trump hasn't yet subverted the required executives to get Apple to agree to roll it out on everyone's phone? | | |
| ▲ | autoexec 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | "get them to agree" is one way to put it. If they want this our government can just show up with guns and force it to happen. The government already collects data from corporations (including apple according to snowden's leaks), sometimes taking over parts of a company's offices, installing hardware on the company's network, and filling those rooms with government employees in order to do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A |
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| ▲ | mindslight an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I don't see the issue. What is your goal in telling us this? Are you proud of sticking your head in the sand, or something? | | |
| ▲ | vitally3643 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's not sticking your head in the sand to state that the entity which owns a device is free to install the software they want. The person operating that device does not own it and thus does not have the right to decide what software it runs. Ignoring the long-standing norm of company-owned and provided devices using preinstalled software that the user has no control over for some sort of "gubmint bad" sentiment is really juvenile. This is how work-owned devices are and have been for decades. Whether the white house app itself is good or bad, or the administration is good or bad is an entirely disjoint argument. Businesses which own the device and provide them to employees have the right to manage the software on the device they own. Do you really want to argue that the person who owns a device does not have the right to manage its software? Because I don't think that's the argument you want to make here. | | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't agree with the premise that Donald Trump is the owner of all government employee phones. We, the citizens of the United States, own those phones. Trump is just a guy we've temporarily hired to direct the activities of the government, and his mistaken impression that the US President owns the government is exactly my concern. |
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| ▲ | orsorna 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Feds use profile management? Is that news? The weirdness of the WH app is notable enough but standard organization practices aren't. |
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| ▲ | malcolmgreaves 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s a purely political app, not an official US government. So yes, it’s weird and illegal for the republicans to force all government employees to have a propaganda app on their work phones. | | |
| ▲ | vitally3643 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Do you want to make the argument that a business/person/entity does not have the right to manage software on devices they own? Think carefully about that. |
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| ▲ | CM30 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This just feels like the weirdest part to me: > A button within the app allows users to “text President Trump,” which autofills a text bubble reading “Greatest President Ever.” It feels like something you might see from the government in a banana republic/authoritarian dictatorship. |
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| ▲ | netsharc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Reminds me of the story of a parliament full of apparatchiks clapping their dictator, with no one daring to stop, because it would mean a lack of loyalty, for which they'd be dragged out and shot... | |
| ▲ | georgemcbay an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > This just feels like the weirdest part to me: >> A button within the app allows users to “text President Trump,” which autofills a text bubble reading “Greatest President Ever.” Have you ever watched any part of any of his cabinet meetings? They are just 3 hours of people telling him how great he is in the most cringiest ways possible, each person trying to one-up the last with the ass kissing. So this autofill doesn't seem weird at all to me. (I'm not saying its normal, I'm saying its expected). > It feels like something you might see from the government in a banana republic/authoritarian dictatorship. Well.. I mean, yeah. That's about where we are. | | |
| ▲ | autoexec 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's not even the authoritarian dictatorship that scares me as much as it is how many regular people with nothing to gain and everything to lose happily and fully support it. |
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| ▲ | mrguyorama an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's because the Trump administration IS a banana republic/authoritarian dictatorship, at least in spirit. Like, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, puts people in prison for a 100 years for going to a protest like a duck, it might be a duck! |
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| ▲ | Rygian 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Google app auto-downloads to Google phones, can't be uninstalled" has been the norm since day 1 and before. What is newsworthy here? The fact that yet one more third-party (the White House) does it too? |
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| ▲ | meristohm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Long-time de-Googled Pixel user here: while it's not for most of the people I know, for whom the barrier to install LineageOS / GrapheneOS / etc on their Android pocket computer is as yet too high, advertisement-company Google's nonsense can be uninstalled.
It helps that I use my less-smart phone much less than back when these things were a novelty. Nice to be able to call and text, snap photos, take notes, visit some websites with JavaScript turned off, set alarms, and learn stuff with Anki, all with one high-tech slab that fits in my pocket.
I also appreciate F-Droid and the contributions of so many people making useful software.
Still, I'd trade computers and all the pollution from the underlying infrastructure for lower population density and the ability to regularly eat fish from local waterways without getting poisoned. | |
| ▲ | knollimar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 4th amendment probably | | |
| ▲ | throwaway-blaze an hour ago | parent [-] | | The 4th amendment doesn't apply to property of your employer. They can do pretty much whatever they want in terms of configuration, tracking, and auto-loading software on it. | | |
| ▲ | mindslight an hour ago | parent [-] | | It does when your employer is the US Government. Decades of overt corporate authoritarianism seems to have made some people forget about the very idea of individual rights. | | |
| ▲ | vitally3643 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No, it doesn't. The government has the right to manage software on devices they own just like any other business. You can just say you think trump is an authoritarian sack of assholes, you don't need to invent bullshit legal fairy tales. That's not how this works. |
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| ▲ | fsflover 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42991887 Android devices have started installing hidden app that scans your images (mastodon.sdf.org) |
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| ▲ | gradientsrneat 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Misleading. Scanning is related to a setting called "Sensitive Content Warnings" and it's disabled by default on most devices. |
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| ▲ | rose-knuckle17 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| another data heist brewing. The usual long period between elections and inauguration is going to create a massive window for data exfiltration and the only people empowered to police it and any evidence that it occurrred are the people most likely to be stealing the data. |
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| ▲ | ck2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| any android now can get pseudo-root via Shizuku and I am betting Shizuku can disable that however I am sure that will trigger firing so probably not worth it 1000 days, hang in there, this is nothing, imagine what's going down winter holidays 2028 |