People are only now concerned because they see the control that was always there, Now being exerted over their government work issued phones.

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SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago | parent [-]

People are concerned because they know that Donald Trump is an aspiring dictator. He doesn't want to install this app because he thinks it will serve some useful purpose, he wants to install it because he thinks the country and everyone in it is his property.

If he's allowed to get away with this, at some point before he's overthrown, he's going to force you, personally, to install this app. When you object that this is crazy, his remaining true believers will make up some nonsense reason why we shouldn't be worried.

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aand16 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It's a work phone, I don't see the issue.

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SpicyLemonZest 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is it a work phone because Trump has a principled belief that only work phones should have to install this app? Or is it a work phone because Trump hasn't yet subverted the required executives to get Apple to agree to roll it out on everyone's phone?

	▲	autoexec 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"get them to agree" is one way to put it. If they want this our government can just show up with guns and force it to happen. The government already collects data from corporations (including apple according to snowden's leaks), sometimes taking over parts of a company's offices, installing hardware on the company's network, and filling those rooms with government employees in order to do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

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mindslight 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I don't see the issue.

What is your goal in telling us this? Are you proud of sticking your head in the sand, or something?

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vitally3643 an hour ago | parent [-]

It's not sticking your head in the sand to state that the entity which owns a device is free to install the software they want. The person operating that device does not own it and thus does not have the right to decide what software it runs.

Ignoring the long-standing norm of company-owned and provided devices using preinstalled software that the user has no control over for some sort of "gubmint bad" sentiment is really juvenile. This is how work-owned devices are and have been for decades.

Whether the white house app itself is good or bad, or the administration is good or bad is an entirely disjoint argument. Businesses which own the device and provide them to employees have the right to manage the software on the device they own. Do you really want to argue that the person who owns a device does not have the right to manage its software? Because I don't think that's the argument you want to make here.

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	▲	SpicyLemonZest an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I don't agree with the premise that Donald Trump is the owner of all government employee phones. We, the citizens of the United States, own those phones. Trump is just a guy we've temporarily hired to direct the activities of the government, and his mistaken impression that the US President owns the government is exactly my concern.