These days it is same with protein... Too much protein fads.

▲ legitster a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think the difference is that increasing protein intake does offset other worse eating habits. So it's not that you need the protein, but there's a small probability that it replaces calories from refined carbohydrates.

▲ HerbManic a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, you do need daily protein but for most people nowhere near as much as they are taking in.

You see these protein bars and some of them basically have a full days worth of the stuff and that is before your other meals come in.

There is the YouTube channel 'Subway takes' where people have about a minute to argue a point of view, usually very funny takes as well. There was one that was 'The Protein fad is basically an eating disorder for men', they aren't far off the mark with that.

	▲	l23k4 16 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		>Yeah, you do need daily protein but for most people nowhere near as much as they are taking in. I don't know, USADA is about as conservative as it gets and they certainly recommend a shitload of protein for for individuals trying to maximize muscle protein synthesis https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/when-consume-protein-m... >You see these protein bars and some of them basically have a full days worth of the stuff and that is before your other meals come in. For a 100kg man that would be like 220 grams of protein, must be one big protein bar. OTOH, at least your username fits ;)
	▲	legitster a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>'The Protein fad is basically an eating disorder for men' This is such a bad take. The current protein fad isn't being driven by men. Bros have been hyping protein and keto for over a decade. The current "put protein in everything" fad was driven by women's social media, especially mom influencers. You're seeing the explosion in products women are more likely to shop for. My wife started buying protein products after getting a flood of Reels talking up its benefits for children and women's health.

▲ throwaway2037 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

    > Too much protein

Is there really a scientific consensus about "too much protein"? As I understand, the bit about "stresses your kidneys" has been disproven.

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adrian_b 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Too much protein can definitely kill you, or at least make you ill, as discovered by the Europeans who explored the northern parts of America and who had initially tried to live from the meat of hunted animals, until they learned from the natives that they must eat enough fat besides the lean meat, in order to survive (most wild animals have little fat, except the bone marrow, which must be extracted).

However, too much protein is a lot, much more than most people will try to eat in normal conditions, because an important advantage of protein is that it is satiating, i.e. when you eat enough protein it is easy to eat less food and more seldom, without feeling hunger.

For example, I eat 2 meals per day, in the morning and in the evening, of about 800 to 1000 kcal each. If I ate more, I would gain weight rapidly.

When I was eating any kind of industrially-processed food, I could not eat so little, because I became hungry quickly. Now I eat only food that I prepare myself, from raw ingredients. In order to avoid hunger, the content of protein and fat is very important. Typically, each of my 2 meals includes 40 to 60 g of protein and 20 to 30 g of vegetable oil. This ensures that I will not be hungry all day.

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monadgonad 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> Too much protein can definitely kill you, or at least make you ill, as discovered by the Europeans who explored the northern parts of America and who had initially tried to live from the meat of hunted animals, until they learned from the natives that they must eat enough fat besides the lean meat, in order to survive (most wild animals have little fat, except the bone marrow, which must be extracted).

That's an issue of too little fat, not too much protein. The question is whether, when your other nutritional needs are being met, an excess of protein is an issue.

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adrian_b 8 hours ago | parent [-]

No, it was too much protein, not too little fat, because they had to eat a lot of meat from hunting to provide enough calories, as they did not carry with them enough food containing starch and/or fat that could provide calories from other sources than protein.

It does not matter if most of the calories (i.e. more than two thirds) are provided by carbohydrates or by fat, as long as they are not provided by protein.

Fat was the solution for living far in the north because they did not have plant cultures that could provide carbohydrates.

Both the amount of fat and the amount of carbohydrates eaten in a day can vary in a very wide range without causing health problems, while the protein intake must be in a relatively narrow range to avoid problems. When eating fat with the right composition, i.e. from sources rich in essential fatty acids and in fat-soluble vitamins, something like at most 40 grams per day should be enough, so it is unlikely for someone to suffer from eating too little fat.

	▲	Remnant44 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Do you have any sources for this? I have also heard of rabbit starvation many times over the years, and it has always been in the context of too taking in too little fat -- essential fatty acids -- as well, due to the extreme leanness of the meat.