| ▲ | cj 5 hours ago |
| I finally gave in to my curiosity and downloaded Kalshi last week to place a few bets on the World Cup. I was blown away how easy it was. I placed a bet with real money within 5 minutes of downloading the app. They allow instant deposits with credit card, and ID verification was real time. I can’t imagine that the extreme accessibility and the typical dark patterns deployed by every popular app won’t eventually end badly. (I was also shocked that when looking at my credit card bill online, next to the Kalshi deposit line item it showed a promo “would you like to split this payment over 12 month?” and seemingly was only available for that one transaction. So I could have deposited $1000 via CC into Kalshi and paid it back $83/mo over 12 months.) This industry is wild. |
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| ▲ | rightbyte 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Well try to make a withdrawal and see how convinient that might be. Internet casinos are usually easy to get money into but hard to get money out of. |
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| ▲ | tills13 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Instant deposit via credit card? Is that not considered a cash advance? |
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| ▲ | LPisGood 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is, and I know someone who found that out the hard way during the Super Bowl. | | |
| ▲ | herpderperator an hour ago | parent [-] | | A cash advance is taking physical cash out with your credit card at an ATM or bank teller. Making an online purchase (which depositing money into your Kalshi account is) is therefore not a cash advance. | | |
| ▲ | notpushkin 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There is a whole lot of merchant categories that is treated like withdrawing money from an ATM. I believe the term is “quasicash”. | |
| ▲ | Arainach an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There are many kinds of "cash advance". You can't buy lottery tickets on a credit card (or in jurisdictions where you can, it's a cash advance). Credit cards also treat things such as buying dollar coins online from the US Mint different from a normal transaction. https://gosunward.org/articles/cash-advance-on-a-credit-card... | |
| ▲ | jamesfinlayson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In Australia any sort of gambling payment on a credit card is treated as a cash advance. If you use PayPal on top of your credit card, the credit card company still manages to introspect it and apply a cash advance fee. | |
| ▲ | brador an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s a cash advance since you’re not purchasing goods or services with the card. |
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| ▲ | ph4rsikal 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The on-ramp in crypto is incredibly well built out.
But then, once you are in the fake money world, you will notice that the off-ramp doesn't exist. |
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| ▲ | consensus1 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have taken money out of Polymarket and it is quick and easy. | |
| ▲ | baobabKoodaa an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Off-ramp does exist. Stop lying. | | | |
| ▲ | m00dy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | on-ramp and off-ramp were the problems of the past. Thanks to Trump, both worlds have merged together now. | |
| ▲ | xboxnolifes an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The off-ramp of nearly all of my crypto endeavors has been very easy in my experience. Not always simple, because a lot of parts of moving money on various crypto chains is unintuitive and well in-need of improvement, but definitely easy once you know what to do. The most annoying part, somewhat surprisingly, is always with regards to United States KYC restrictions. I've had a fair bit of annoyance trying to move crypto off of services that were once accessible to US customers and no longer are. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This was my experience trying out "traditional betting" for the first time with Betfair last Worldcup, and some other platform I tried out before as well. Not sure what Kalshi/others are doing that is so different? |
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| ▲ | maxbond 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you're going to gamble, it's probably for the best that your counterparty doesn't also control the platform. I'm not saying that justifies being able to gamble frictionlessly, but it is marginally less exploitative. Eg, back in the day bucket shops (which sold binary options, like prediction markets do) would increase the spread in proportion to their assessment of your skill such that you would lose even if you were more skilled. In a proper market the platform makes the same amount of money whoever wins. So, not all that different, but marginally less exploitative. I've never looked at Polymarket but Kalshi and PredictIt slid steadily from things of at least plausible real economic value (a market where it was conceivable [if unlikely] someone would be hedging their insurance contract or something) into total nonsense with no non-gambling function like whether someone would tweet a certain word. I think prediction markets could serve a similar to a futures markets and have a functional purpose in the economy. It could be useful to generate real time estimates of the probability of some events that no one can control and have real economic consequences, like a hurricane. But evidently that's not where the money is. | |
| ▲ | watwut 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | They pretend they are "market" and not gambling to avoid regulations. |
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| ▲ | owlninja 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I read a book this year about sports gambling in the US [1], and it points out how nasty and predatory it is. I think "prediction markets" have even less regulation? I would talk to my sports fan buddies at work and they would say "oh, just how sportsbooks in Vegas operate already", but this is on-demand, in your face, constantly nudging you to bet with dark patterns and "comps". I used to want sports gambling legal in the US, but the way it has gone is incredibly disgusting and is starting to make watching sports almost annoying. The crawl on the bottom is no longer scores, but moneylines... [1] "Everybody Loses: The Tumultuous Rise of American Sports Gambling" (2026) by Danny Funt |
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| ▲ | somenameforme 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A bit of a tangent, but many like the moneylines isn't because of gambling but because it tells you who's the favorite/underdog and by what margin. It's like in the equivalent of a chess game of knowing the player's ratings, which itself can directly lead to a nominal moneyline, but in most sports there's no formal predictive rating system. | | |
| ▲ | tbossanova 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It’s the kind of thing that would suck all enjoyment out of watching sports for me personally. I may well be in a minority though, possibly an old person thing too |
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| ▲ | TZubiri 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Predictions markets are more regulated than sports betting, because the events being predicted are wider, so they will naturally touch on a whole lot more regulation. For example, can someone place a bet on an event that X person will be shot? That question now touches on a whole range of laws regarding murder, life insurance, incitation to violence, free speech? That you just don't touch at all in sports betting. | | |
| ▲ | niwtsol 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I read your statement and my reaction is what you describe is less regulated than sports betting. For example, in sports betting there are laws by major leagues that players can not bet on games they are in. On prediction markets, if someone has insider knowledge, or can control whatever verification source is set for a bet, they can win (I believe there was an article posted earlier about some journalist reporting on a bomb that fell on an area and was pressured to change the wording to say it fell or was bombed). Additionally, as some of the prediction market wagers have weird grey areas, there are predictions that have additional sub text added after a market has been open/wages have been made which completely change the bet - that is just fast and loose and less regulation IMO | |
| ▲ | mcmcmc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | So where are those regulations? | |
| ▲ | kennywinker 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lol. This is some quality sv psychosis content. But ok, let’s follow your thought process. Couldn’t someone place a bet on a sporting event and then murder a key player? Wouldn’t all the same laws be triggered? Laws against criminal activity aren’t regulations. Regulations are limitations and oversight requirements on business activities. |
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| ▲ | JoeMattie 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You think that's wild, look into prop firms some time |
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| ▲ | manwithopinions 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The U.S. is quite far behind the rest of the world on sports betting, which means you don’t even need to imagine, we know from other countries that it doesn’t end well. The most worrying aspect is, the current U.S. government has no interest in the regulations that have helped minimise the problems in other countries. The U.K’s highest earner for a few years running was the founder of a U.K. betting site, she had something like a 500 million salary and there is an entire town’s economy supported by her business. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bet365 |
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| ▲ | m00dy an hour ago | parent [-] | | I personally never met her but Bet365 is one of the most protected sites on the internet when it comes to antibot protections. When I started my company in 2025, I had two customers from UK, they were very much interested in odds for horse races from bet365, mostly realtime. Bet365 knew I was coming for them. |
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| ▲ | TheCowboy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How were you able to use a credit card when it's not a payment they accept? |
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| ▲ | chasebank 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They call it 'onramping'. Moonpay is a big one, coinbase has one, onramper is another. Basically Applepay / credit card -> ETH or SOL or USDC, etc, then lose away! |
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| ▲ | holistio 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Back in the good old days you needed a few more steps before you got into debt after gambling. |
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| ▲ | ElProlactin 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Back in the good old days non-payment of gambling debt was a threat to your knee-caps. Today, you might get cut off from Klarna and have to extend your next auto loan to 256 months. | | |
| ▲ | tyre 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This was with their credit card. You're going to get demolished if you start bouncing gambling debt on a credit card. I'm guessing that at some point, probably not very long from now, credit cards are going to cut down on this. They don't want to be held responsible for a bunch of debt from gamblers, when they've already paid the sites. At some point, the fees won't be worth the combination of PR and actually losing money from bankruptcies / delinquencies. | | |
| ▲ | nradov 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Most of those gambling sites don't have merchant accounts and aren't able to accept credit card payments directly. Customers take out cash advances or buy cryptocurrency through various shady intermediaries, then transfer the assets. |
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| ▲ | TZubiri 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Loan sharks that use threats still exist, non-bank personal lending funds use cold calling and connections with bankers and use non-staff third party callers to distance themselves from the consequences and reputation of threatening with violence. So it's not like people need to go to shady lenders in the first place, they can be pipelined from normal credit card debt into less scrupulous debt collectors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMntLU1bNE0 | |
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| ▲ | znyboy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think you missed the point entirely.
All of these "prediction market" gambling platforms are actively predatory to their users, with very little (if any) regulatory oversight. | |
| ▲ | dylan604 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Based on the ad they are running during World Cup of the guy in the dentist office, they just don't care how/where money is spent as they just print money. |
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