| ▲ | earthnail 2 hours ago |
| From all the large governmental institutions, the EU is the one currently holding up traditional western values. That gives it street cred in this subject. |
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| ▲ | hdgvhicv an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/feb/... The age old joke; A Russian and an American are drinking at a bar The Russian says "I'm impressed by american propaganda. It's so subtle but effective." The american responds "What are you talking about, we don't do propaganda." |
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| ▲ | kortilla 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >traditional western values This seems tautological because Europe is pretty weak on the values that people in the US might care about (freedom of speech, limited govt, etc). What values specifically are you optimizing for here? |
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| ▲ | p_j_w 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > values that people in the US might care about (freedom of speech, limited govt, etc). The US federal government forced Paramount to take Colbert off the air. Seems that people in the US don’t actually value these things. > What values specifically are you optimizing for here? Probably not being fascist. | | |
| ▲ | Gigachad 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They currently have the military circling a pool to intimidate people trying to take photos of the botched paint job. | | | |
| ▲ | throwaway27448 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The US federal government forced Paramount to take Colbert off the air. Not really; the Ellisons are quite close to Trump. Nobody was forced to do anything. Had the FCC actually revoked their license, and had Paramount actually been willing to fight, they could have sued. It's not easy to force anyone that rich to do anything; the state works on behalf of capital. It seems like europe is more aware of the meaningless bluster than the actual crimes being committed There are much better things to point to to illustrate the deterioration of the rule of law, like blatantly illegal deportation of citizens without due process. Or raping children in concentration camps under the guise of cracking down on crime. We may never even know who was seized and what happened to them and there's little incentive for our very pro-corporate media to report on it. |
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| ▲ | solumunus 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The UK can arrest you for hate speech. You can disagree with that policy on free speech terms if you want, and that’s really a maximal free speech position. It’s a very strange position to hold if you’re claiming that the U.S. is better when it comes to free speech. The U.S. administration is engaged in active smear campaigns against anyone who speaks loudly against them, threatened to revoke licenses of media companies, they’re suing people and corporations to silence them and pressure them into conformance, they’re threatening to deport people who are simply expressing anti-Israel views, threatened to remove funding from universities, deployed the military in cities they don’t like for no other reason than intimidation of political rivals. This is just off the top of my head. There’s just no comparison really. You must really be inhaling some nonsense X propaganda if you think government overreach is worse in Western Europe. |
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| ▲ | throwaway27448 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm honestly not really sure what "traditional western values" have to do with where to store data. What does that even refer to—individualism? Christianity? Representation in court by lawyers? How does this intersect with the topic at hand? Edit: c'mon people, if you're going to use such ambiguous phrases at least have the spine to clue the reader in to what you want them to refer to in this context. |
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| ▲ | cpursley 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| With all the issues in the US and generally wrong direction, I can’t remember them ever arresting people for mean tweets in the way that Germany and the UK have. They all seem to be running full speed towards a surveillance state. |
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| ▲ | lmm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > With all the issues in the US and generally wrong direction, I can’t remember them ever arresting people for mean tweets in the way that Germany and the UK have. Then you haven't been paying attention. The constitution prevents citizens from being convicted, but that doesn't stop arrests or being turned away at the border (even for permanent residents who've lived in the US for decades), and US citizens don't seem to care, so it's cold comfort for many of us. | | |
| ▲ | leptons an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | >and US citizens don't seem to care I think maybe you haven't been paying attention. Most of us do care. Trump's approval rating is pretty low at 36%, and his disapproval rating is high. Just because he's still causing chaos doesn't mean the majority of us don't care about it. There's just no legal way to remove him, and his cronies simply won't do it - there's not enough votes in congress or he would have been gone after his first or second impeachment. https://www.npr.org/2026/06/20/nx-s1-5861764/trumps-job-appr... | | |
| ▲ | lysium an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I understand your point, however I don’t buy „there's just no legal way to remove him“. With so low ratings where are the daily protests against such type of government? Surely, nationwide daily protests would make elected officials reconsider their positions, given an upcoming midterm election, while there still is one. Don’t get me wrong, I know the thousands reasons why you won’t join a protest, I’m „guilty“ myself. I just want to argue against your argument that I quoted because this puts all of us in an unhelpful victim mentality. | | |
| ▲ | rob74 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Then again, nationwide daily protests would give the Trump administration an excuse to send ICE / the army / whoever else they can send to the cities where the protests take place (I guess they would be mostly blue-leaning ones) to "restore order", and at the same time lay the groundwork for influencing the November elections. But the turnout at the periodic nationwide "No Kings" protests has been very good, and they have fortunately stayed peaceful. |
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| ▲ | lmm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This isn't about Trump. No 4th amendment rights at the border has been an issue for at least 20 years, but US citizens don't care because it doesn't affect citizens. | | |
| ▲ | zingar 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yep, this was an issue long before Trump. They’ve just amped up the scale and stopped bothering with the deceit that they know doesn’t bother Americans. |
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| ▲ | PoignardAzur 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | A 36% approval rating is sky-high for a president that started a pointless immensely costly war after getting elected on a platform of "no more costly wars" and is in the process of negotiating an immensely unfavorable deal with Iran after getting elected on a platform of "Obama's deal with Iran was terrible, I could do much better". By contrast, Biden at the same point in his term was hovering around 39%, for the heinous crime of... rebuilding the US economy? Including some woke riders in his infrastructure bill? At this point, a fair assessment of US citizens is that on average, they seem to consider that being a right-wing autocrat wannabe, threatening to invade allied countries "as a negotiating tactic", being a climate change denier, starting a humiliating failed war, trying to blackmail the press into compliance, etc, are about 3% worse than being a cringe center-left bureaucrat. "US citizens don't seem to care" is an apt hyperbole. |
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| ▲ | cpursley 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are talking about something different (in bad faith). Please share a single instance of a US citizen being arrested for an offensive social media post. | | |
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| ▲ | delis-thumbs-7e 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [x] Doesn’t know UK not in EU
[x] Thinks people inciting violence online a free speech -issue
[x] Calls Germany a surveillance state when US uses Palantir - a US company - to openly spy on its citizens X seems to work great. Inciting men in with gambling, porn, crypto, ai and other broistan staples, then feeding them far-right nonsense info points. | |
| ▲ | rob74 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | By "mean tweets" I assume you mean death threats? How about not threatening to kill someone on social media, is that so hard to do? | |
| ▲ | Latty 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They literally arrested people for quoting Charlie Kirk in tweets after his death. | | | |
| ▲ | solumunus 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s not the EU. |
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