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selcuka 3 hours ago

> When the two civilian dressed masked men entered the apparentment

I think this is very irresponsible. What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the police thinking that they were criminals?

orbital-decay 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is a very... US comment to make.

JuniperMesos 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There have been cases in the US where homeowners shot cops dead who were in the process of unexpectedly raiding their home, because the homeowner had no idea they were cops and not home invasion robbers; and in some cases have been acquitted of murder charges by juries for this.

I'd personally like to see the laws protecting this strengthened, to make sure that cops aren't charging unannounced into peoples' homes and then charging the homeowner with murder when they react with reasonable gun violence in self-defense.

ktallett an hour ago | parent [-]

I would much prefer a society where all homeowners and cops don't carry guns and cops were fired for illegal raids.

LtWorf 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Me too, but I bet the cops did carry.

MemoryHoleHQ an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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l23k4 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm fully European, would not wonder for a second before plunging a knife into an intruder if I happened to have one near me.

koonsolo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No it is not. Europeans can have guns, and there was a recent case in Belgium where such a thing happened.

Jolter an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I’m pretty sure you’re not allowed to use your legal firearms against people in Denmark. Even in a home intrusion event.

l23k4 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

In the EU the answer is always "it's unclear". Yes you can, but you also can't.

ECHR necessarily guarantees the right to shoot some intruders in some situations, but it's kind of impossible to know which situations those are except after the fact.

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Sammi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This was in Denmark

varjag an hour ago | parent [-]

You can own guns in Denmark as well.

impossiblefork 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes and no.

Weapons are normal here too.

stefanfisk an hour ago | parent [-]

Shooting intruders isn’t though. They’d basically have to attack you first for lethal force to be legal.

impossiblefork 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This is not the law here in Sweden, at least.

We don't have precedent in the way that common law countries do, and the judgements in actual cases point in slightly different directions-- in one case a court felt that the failure to fire a warning shot made it not self-defence, in another fighting people trying to get into an apartment with a knife was deemed acceptable.

Generally though, if someone is breaking into your apartment while you're there, possibly trying to get at you, there's no limit, as long as you're actually trying to defend yourself (so no executing someone who you've clearly disabled, etc.).

If people are breaking into your apartment and you fire a warning shot, then proceed to shoot the attackers, no one will complain.

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l23k4 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They’d basically have to attack you first for lethal force to be legal.

They just violently entered his home in an effort to attack him, dressed in a way designed to intimidate. These cops were deliberately cosplaying as some sort of a hit squad, they obviously wanted him to believe that they were going to kill him.

It's not like the cops just accidentally went out dressed like that.

MemoryHoleHQ an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If a masked person, that doesn't first identify themselves clearly as the police (which is difficult since, well, they are masked) breaks into my house, that's a lethal attack for sure.

What are you going to do after they enter the house (if they aren't indeed the police and you trust they won't kill or rape your family)?

tchalla 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What would happen if the owner was armed

Might as well talk about unicorns as we are imaging this scenario in Denmark.

messe 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You can own multiple guns and store them at your residence in Denmark. I know a couple of people who do so, admittedly both ex-military.

This isn't limited to shotguns or bolt action rifles for hunting. You can own up to six handguns.

You do need to be licensed however, and given Andersen's history he probably wouldn't be permitted.

herbstein an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You can. But ammunition and the guns have to be stored in separate safes. And it's essentially impossible to get off with a self defense claim if you have time to gather your legal guns

msh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would still (in most cases, your response have to be proportional to the threat) be a crime to use them against a intruder.

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tchalla an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You should also add that most private guns owned in Denmark are typically for hunting, not self defence.

pikeangler 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is Denmark, nobody except gang members is armed

sgt 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, and the police.

div an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes, gang members.

Hamuko 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the police thinking that they were criminals?

A hefty prison sentence for illegal handling of firearms and attempted homicide would be my guess.

selcuka 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I was thinking of the police officers. Why risk your life for such a petty crime?

klustregrif 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is Denmark not America, there is literally no risk to their life.

JuniperMesos 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Just because Denmark doesn't have the same gun laws, culture around using guns for self-defense, or prevalence of guns as the US does, it doesn't mean that Danish police face no risk when they raid someone's home. Anytime the cops raid someone's home, regardless of whether or not is it a legitimate raid of a legitimate criminal, it's a violent act and there's risk that the cops will be hurt or killed.

msh an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Since 1945 12 cops have been killed in the line of duty (excluding traffic accidents), mostly when responding to a violent crime (trying to stop bank robberies lead to 6 of those fatalities).

stefanfisk an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you have any danish stats to back up your claim?

fwn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The activist is well known. They likely knew he would answer the door, yet they still broke it down. In the U.S., you'd probably shoot some dog in that situation, if one was available.

The entire scene is probably not meant as effective policing, but as punitive theater. This also explains why they disabled the cameras, as the theater was not intended for content reuse.

Given that, I'd assume they knew he wouldn't shoot them or do anything even remotely like that.

breppp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the gun proliferation situation in Denmark is probably different than the US