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eyevz 3 hours ago

I find it crazy how the establishment will consider absolutely anything other than that Brits are legitimately fed up with immigration.

throwyawayyyy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's being fed up with something and there's fomenting civil war. The huge wave of immigration, which has since subsided, happened under the Tories.

10xDev 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Immigration has dramatically gone down in the past few years.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/lo... (figure 2)

I think the real problem people are having is that a large amount of those immigrants are now no longer from the EU. But you have Brexit to blame for that.

graemep an hour ago | parent [-]

If people prefer unskilled EU immigration to skilled non-EU immigration its says something about them.

People had a problem with EU immigration before Brexit so I do not think that is it.

I think most of the problem people have is with is to illegal immigration. The sentiment is "stop the boats". There are bizarre things happening in the asylum system. Do we need to consider claims made by people from the EU or the US? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/18/eu-citizens-hand... That is an extreme but there are lots of claims by people from safe countries.

10xDev an hour ago | parent [-]

Small boat arrivals and asylum applications are down and deportations are up: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70989jrdweo

Hard to complain here with the current trajectory.

graemep an hour ago | parent [-]

I know, but the people complaining about immigration do not. I partly blame the media and social media, and partly politicians focus on net migration numbers.

croon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Who/what is the "establishment"?

1dom 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a brit, I can confirm I am not at all fed up with immigration.

Your comment is unnecessary, unsubstantiated, doesn't add anything to the discussion and is just going to cause arguments in its current form.

Dig1t 2 hours ago | parent [-]

English are rapidly becoming a minority in England. Many towns and cities are well less than 50% native English. There are millions in the UK who are opposed to being replaced by Africans and Middle Eastern people. This is a natural and sensible response to the situation that literally any nation of people would also share.

1dom an hour ago | parent [-]

The most likely candidates are places like Bradford and Birmingham, which are still - according to wikipedia - 60%+ white british, that's without even considering british asian or other people born in and native to the UK.

Again, sorry, I can't find any sources to support your facts here, maybe I looked in a different place to you, so perhaps you could share your sources?

lawlorino 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

I’m not taking sides on the wider argument here, but I think it’s you who should check your sources? Copy pasting direct from wikipedia:

> The city of Bradford is 45.8% White according to the latest 2021 census data, with the White British population being 40.5%. 45.3% of the city's population is Asian, primarily from the Pakistani community

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bradford

> According to figures from the 2021 census, 48.7% of the population was White (42.9% White British

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham

kjkjadksj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If they are fed up with immigration they are stupid. “Gee we have declining birth rates and we want to deny this pool of labor that might correct course because they are brown.” The american empire was built on easy immigration. Turns out the tired and poor that we took in can build empires and win europe’s major wars for them.

10xDev 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The job market has imploded and the economy hasn't been growing since 2008. There definitely needs to be a cap.

kjkjadksj 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If only there were more customers to grow markets! Hmm I wonder how that could be done…

10xDev 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You are not going to get more customers with higher house prices or through greater youth unemployment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm203nn7lzro

whatevaa 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Immigration is a duct tape solution to fixing things at this point. It is not going to build you an empire today.

Dig1t 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why aren’t Japan, Korea, China importing millions from India and Africa to replace their falling birth rates? Because people are not identical interchangeable units.

If you drop 1 million Africans into London they don’t simply become British, they are just Africans living in London. People understand intuitively that replacing the native population with foreigners at massive scale mostly just erases the native culture and people (which have existed for thousands of years).

The American Empire was built by specifically importing millions of Europeans who shared much history and culture (religion, appearance, history). If America had instead been grown by importing people from India or Africa, the American Empire would not exist.

w0de0 a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

Ah, friend, America was importing people from Africa. Indeed “import” is rather more apt in this case than the several other you’ve ignored (e.g. the mass immigration from Vietnam at the finish of the war).

eesmith 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ahh, so you want to lock down the border between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, because if you drop 1 million citizens of Ireland into London they also don't simply become British but are just Irish living in London.

The Welsh might have a comment about how much the British government tried to erase the native culture and people who lived on those isles for thousands of years before various foreigners came in on little boats. How are the native Cornish speakers doing these days?

The American Empire grew in no little part by specifically importing people from Africa to work as slaves.

10xDev 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You are fear mongering here. I do think immigration is double edged, but if you look at the statistics I posted it is very far from replacement level. If you would prefer to have immigrants from the EU instead, then something needs to be done about Brexit.

SpicyLemonZest 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That seems like an inadequate explanation of why Elon Musk, who is not a Brit, is investing so much time and energy into this issue.

TrackerFF 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

It is easier when that is the zeitgeist. If every other country in Europe has the same thing going on, it becomes easier to campaign on that sort of stuff. Suddenly the extreme parties don't seem that extreme, and people start to question whether or not previously extreme opinions are that extreme anymore.

dzhiurgis 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not so extreme anymore. Extreme was the status quo.

Even Sweden has introduced a new law against misbehaving immigrants (before you'd be risking your job just by speaking about the issue) just few days ago - https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-passes-good-behaviour-l...

jeffbee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Imagine the irony of Northern Ireland getting mad over immigration.

graemep 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Another way of looking at it is that they have been mad over it for centuries.

haemdahl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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Herring 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

New genocide hot take on HN: has anyone considered maybe it’s the $VICTIMS that's the problem! Wow I’m so freaking smart.

refurb 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"No, the problem isn't our policies. Big tech is the problem!"

bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent [-]

As an American, I can assure you that policy issues and corporate meddling are in fact not mutually exclusive.

isodev 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You mean the made up idea of immigration as a problem? Sure.

What Brits probably want more is to rejoin the EU, get back some leverage on the world scene and dig themselves our of the brexit hole

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1dom an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think it's a made up idea that immigration is a problem, some people clearly, definitely consider it a problem, and it can cause problems. But it's a problem that's been heavily worked on recently and has had a lot of success in solving in the UK over the past 2 years.

This is why it's completely barmy to suggest the average brit is fed up of immigration now, and I'm not sure why many people pointing that out are being heavily downvoted.