| ▲ | NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission(techcrunch.com) |
| 29 points by isaacfrond 3 hours ago | 40 comments |
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| ▲ | ajay-b 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| This mission is an orbital science mission studying Mars' atmosphere, not the same objective as SpaceX's long-term goal of sending large cargo and eventually humans to Mars. So I think the title might be taking the piss just a smidge. |
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| ▲ | dundarious an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't assume "Mars mission" to necessarily mean cargo for settlement or humans. In fact, that all seems quite distant at this point, so I ignore it entirely unless specific concrete actions occur. So for many people like myself, the title is perfectly reasonable. The world does not revolve around SpaceX and its purported plans. | | |
| ▲ | sbuttgereit 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | To be fair to the original commenter though... the actual title of the TechCrunch article is: "NASA picks Eric Schmidt’s rocket company for Mars mission, setting up a race with SpaceX" That title establishes a context in which looking at their relative goals is completely valid. | |
| ▲ | mr_toad 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | By that logic the Russians won the space race pretty completely. | | |
| ▲ | eterm 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They did. It was the Soviets winning the space race that caused the USA to sink everything into the Apollo mission, to prove they could go bigger. Russia were first to almost every other milestone, first orbit, first man in orbit, first woman in orbit, first EVA, first moon orbit, first (unmanned) moon landing, and many others. Edited "Russians" to Soviets because lot was done by non-Russian parts of the union, my original reply just mirrored the OP use of Russians. |
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| ▲ | dylan604 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | only if you squint at it while slightly tilting your head and really want it to be acrimonious. "NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission" comes no where close to implying it was a manned mission while absolutely being accurate in it's a rocket company being selected for a mission going to Mars. You're reading into it a manned mission. |
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| ▲ | zitterbewegung 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| NASA always needs more competition to keep launch costs low and encouraging innovation and it seems like he hasn't been CEO for a long time. This is indicative of funding competition which is a good thing. |
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| ▲ | mrweasel 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's so weird that space launches is one of the businesses where the free market appear to be working. |
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| ▲ | ChrisArchitect 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Source: https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-announces-public-priv... |
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| ▲ | philipwhiuk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For context, Relativity gained Eric Schmidt as CEO in March last year. They built a 3D printed small sat launcher which failed it's first launch. They cancelled further work in favour of Terran R which has less 3D printing. First launch probably early next year. First successful launch, probably late next year. A Mars mission 2028 is not crazy but it's ambitious. |
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| ▲ | slowmovintarget 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Relativity Space had a really interesting idea even before Eric Schmidt bought it. The key ideas were new technologies in 3d printing of designs for rapid iteration of design-to-implementation on what was previously extremely difficult (rocket engines, rocket bodies). They even called their printers "Pylons" if recall (a nod to StarCraft's Protoss). The manufacturing tech has far broader implications than the application they were putting it toward. My worry is that Eric bought them solely to get launch-for-compute in his pocket. Given his track record of "steal and when you get caught just have the lawyers 'clean all that up'" and "we didn't intend to unleash evil on the world, 'but it happened'" aren't encouraging. I always hope the golden goose doesn't get carved to pieces, but it usually happens. |
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| ▲ | bpodgursky an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Don't read too much into this. The way these always work is they pick a low-stakes mission to give a new competitor a chance to build the market. If they're on track to miss the deadline badly they'll switch vendors to SpaceX who they know can pick up the slack on a short timeline. And if they do manage to deliver, great. |
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| ▲ | doublerabbit 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I need to jump on this rocket company spacewagon. Claude, make me a space rocket. Using only lisp, if and regex statements.
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| ▲ | danielbln 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You didn't add "make no mistakes" so that first test burn will probably blow up the pad, but now you know. | | |
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| ▲ | 1970-01-01 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Uh huh. Add it to the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_crewed_Mars_mission_pl... |
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| ▲ | andrewflnr 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not crewed. > a spacecraft to house a suite of scientific instruments Second sentence of the article. | | |
| ▲ | 1970-01-01 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Link doesn't fit but the argument stands. No billionaire-funded misison to Mars has ever succeeded. Not even SpaceX. You need at minimum an entire space program. Here's a better link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_One | | |
| ▲ | andrewflnr 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You didn't make an argument. You still haven't. Every new thing goes through a long stage where it hasn't happened yet. You haven't even begun to argue, with evidence, that this thing can't happen. Even your line about "an entire space program" is incoherent in this context because the rocket in question is literally being used as a component in "an entire space program". |
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| ▲ | close04 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > might just beat SpaceX to Mars. SpaceX/Musk can always spin it as “we have more ambitious goals than some lowly scientific instruments”. |
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| ▲ | consumer451 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Since SpaceX now includes controlling the Twitter culture war narrative, yes... lots of other things to do for "SpaceX." I say this as a huge fan of the OG SpaceX, and a space nerd in general. I was thinking that I felt bad for the OG SpaceX folks working on rockets, and Starlink... with all the distractions. However, many of them just became millionaires. So, what do I know. Elon is a heck of an economic engineer. I would probably want to be along for the ride. | |
| ▲ | __m an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well they reached europa i think |
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| ▲ | t1234s an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Now that spacex is public we can expect more headlines like this to sway the price similar to what is done with tesla. |
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| ▲ | smrtinsert 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Don't read to much into this. It's just a key talent, stable and productive, forming relationships with a key partner, gathering experience that you would think would be critical information to another companies valuation." |
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| ▲ | Noaidi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Folks, this is not a democracy, or a meritocracy, it is a corpocracy. |
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| ▲ | PunchyHamster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Picking company that haven't launched anything at the size and range your need where there are competitors that do is ... interesting move. |
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| ▲ | BiteCode_dev an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe ES' companies gave they a contract stating they assume all the risks and take not a cent unless they succeed, including reparation on failure, just to win the market. | |
| ▲ | 0x59 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "trust me bro" |
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| ▲ | josefritzishere 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Using private rocket companies is highly concerning. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V Manufacturer: Boeing (S-IC), North American (S-II), Douglas (S-IVB) | | |
| ▲ | Noaidi an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is a disingenuous statement. The Saturn V[f] is a retired American super heavy-lift launch vehicle developed by NASA under the Apollo program for human exploration of the Moon. NASA is not developing Relativity Space's rocket. "On Tuesday, NASA said it hired the company to build a spacecraft to house a suite of scientific instruments, launch it into space, and fly it to Mars." Plus, George Mueller, who managed the rocket team, worked for NASA, not some private company. So did all the engineers. "The largest production model of the Saturn family of rockets, the Saturn V was designed at the Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) in Huntsville, Alabama. The program was managed by American George Mueller; technical design was led by scientists relocated from Nazi Germany, most notably Wernher von Braun, as well as Kurt Debus and Arthur Rudolph. This group had developed the first US launch vehicles, the Redstone rocket family, under the Army Ballistic Missile Agency. All engines were built by Rocketdyne. Boeing built the kerolox S-IC first stage powered by five F-1 engines; these remain the most powerful single chamber liquid-fuelled engines ever built. North American Aviation the hydrolox S-II second stage, and Douglas Aircraft Company the hydrolox S-IVB third stage, powered by five and one J-2 engines respectively. IBM and MSFC designed the rocket's instrument unit. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mueller_(engineer) | | |
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| ▲ | infecto an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why? Are private companies not the engineering force in most military equipment these days. | | |
| ▲ | expedition32 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Private companies paid with government dollars that employ lots of smart people from public universities. This is not Arasaka. | | |
| ▲ | infecto an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sorry I could not understand your point through all the snark. How is using Schmidt’s company any different than any of the other thousands of military equipment programs? I don’t see how anything you said shows the difference. |
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| ▲ | ThrowawayTestr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Then you know nothing of NASA and it's history | | |
| ▲ | Noaidi an hour ago | parent [-] | | NASA hired private companies to engineer and design their early rockets? I thought Wernher von Braun engineered the Saturn V rocket after NASA borrowed him from thew Nazi's | | |
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