| ▲ | gniv 12 hours ago |
| Wow. What could possibly have caused him to quit so soon after coming back? I hope this is not accurate but I'm afraid it is: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273 |
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| ▲ | afavour 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| https://nitter.net/signulll/status/2067446889956430273 for those who don't want to click the above |
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| ▲ | er4hn 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| signull is more of an anonymous sh*tposter than a known industry insider, but I think this does capture the sama contribution to OpenAI very well. At least from an outsider who follows this stuff based on vibes. |
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| ▲ | thewebguyd 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | That twitter story isn't anything unique to OpenAI or Google, it's just classic "big public corp vs private startup" culture. Once you have to worry about the SEC, shareholders, antitrust, regulations, lawsuits, etc. it's very, very difficult to avoid turning into "big corp" culture. Sama, and any other founder, will always have a difficult fight against bureaucracy, and once you let a little bit in, the bureaucracy's sole purpose becomes to grow itself. | | |
| ▲ | electriclove 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Google and Apple both need a culling similar to what Elon did with Twitter after taking over. | | |
| ▲ | quentindanjou 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I disagree. It's not about the culling, it has never been, and actually, it makes things worse. You spend countless hours and tons of money recruiting talented people not to lay them off because you don't want a bureaucratic org. If the issue is inefficiency, tons of meetings, too much team alignment etc, then that's the issue that you need to tackle, and these issues can already appear in a 50-100 employee company. Sure, that's an easy problem to solve with a smaller size but unless you hired people for no reason, these people have a very specific set of problems to tackle and are often, in these companies, the best in class to tackle them, culling half of the company isn't going to make things better. (And X rehired part of the laid-off engineers) | | |
| ▲ | zipy124 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That depends who you are firing. There are many job roles who's primary output is meetings and documents. What percentage of Google employees are engineers... |
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| ▲ | whatever1 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Google bloat gave us transformers. Apple bloat gave us a usable touchscreen only, pocket computer (famously an entire org within Apple had developed an iPod-based approach that was competing with what was released) The leaps forward need bloat. A startup can execute on specific vector direction way better. Now back to your point, what did X deliver with its lean ops? It seems that it needed 2 bailouts (one from xAI, and one from space X) | |
| ▲ | Herring an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is that you Musk? Twitter lost half its revenue, more than 80% of its valuation. | | |
| ▲ | HDThoreaun 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That was mostly because Elon told advertisers to fuck themselves at an advertising convention no? |
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| ▲ | objclxt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Google and Apple both need a culling similar to what Elon did with Twitter after taking over. You could cut Google's size by 40% and they'd still have more corporate employees than Apple. (Google has ~190k employees, Apple has ~160k but 50k of those are retail staff, so ~110k corporate) | | |
| ▲ | VirusNewbie 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Google is competing with nvidia (TPU), AWS (GCP), Netflix (youtube), Tesla (waymo self driving), OpenAI (Gemini), Microsoft (Workspace), Apple (Android).... |
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| ▲ | afavour 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Eh, what has X/Twitter delivered since the cull? It’s basically in maintenance mode. Which is fine if that’s what you want to do, but Google and Apple definitely don’t (and I’m glad for that) | | |
| ▲ | geori 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | He merged it with SpaceX, quickly created a few colossal datacenters for training runs and somehow turned that into a 3T company. |
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| ▲ | HDThoreaun 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Google is facing a legitimate innovators dilemma here. It makes sense to have all this process when youre protecting a $4.5 trillion golden goose. The tragedy here is that one predictable outcome of this situation is google deciding to considerably cut research funding when they figure out it just serves to bootstrap future competitors. | | |
| ▲ | eikenberry 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is when it makes sense to split your business up into multiple smaller businesses. The government should be doing this via anti-trust but they have dropped the ball there so, at this point, the corps really need to just do it to themselves to better compete. | | |
| ▲ | ginko 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wasn't that what the whole Alphabet re-org was supposed to do? | | |
| ▲ | breppp 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Alphabet has Google with 99% of the profit through Ads, Search, Cloud, Gmail, Youtube etc and tens of losing companies that make balloons or whatnot |
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| ▲ | Insanity 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If I had to make a guess, money played a role lol. |
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| ▲ | karmasimida 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | He is close or already a billionaire, not sure much more money will be do much heavy-lifting | | |
| ▲ | efficax 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | you'd be surprised! people seem to have a limitless appetite for that money stuff. they just can't get enough of it, i've found | | |
| ▲ | tedd4u 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I know some pretty wealthy people. They are very aware of those who are 10x wealthier than them. If Noam has 1B, he is probably pretty aware of those that have 10B. He's met them and seen their properties, scope, and powers. Likewise, they are thinking about those that have 100B, and those are thinking about Elon, who now has "four commas." | |
| ▲ | eloisant 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Most are happy and stop at multimillionaires, but of course we don't hear about them. The focus on hungry billionaires is survivor bias. We don't hear about Tom from MySpace. | |
| ▲ | VirusNewbie 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How much money do you have? or are you just commenting from the peanut gallery? | | |
| ▲ | efficax an hour ago | parent [-] | | i’ve got 300k in a 401k, 50k in cash and i earn 230k pretax. i’m not sure what the point of the question is tho |
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| ▲ | busymom0 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This reads like an episode of Silicon Valley. I wish that show was rebooted, they'd have so much funny material nowadays. |
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| ▲ | swader999 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think real life has far eclipsed the absurdity of the original show. They might have a hard time competing with just the news now days. | | |
| ▲ | cguess 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Even back then Mike Judge said he had to tone down the absurdity he saw on fact-finding trips to Bay Area. He said no one would believe how absolutely stupid so much of all of it he saw was. | |
| ▲ | busymom0 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or they might give tech companies more ideas! |
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| ▲ | beng-nl 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I loved that show. The love that went into it really shows. Sadly the gap between reality and satire has shrunk. But yes. I also wish that show would come back. Noam shazeer would be google head dreamer | | |
| ▲ | HarHarVeryFunny 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The gap between reality and satire was apparently already very small back when the the show was written. The creator, Mike Judge (who also created Beavis & Butthead, and Idiocracy) had worked in Silicon Valley as a developer and based the show on what he saw. Apparently it was very popular with SV insiders precisely because it was so accurate. | | |
| ▲ | dekhn 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Judge also consulted with various teams at places like Google; I worked with one of the guys who provided details that later showed up on the show (as well as many plushies). He didn't watch the show because "it hit too close to home" | |
| ▲ | zipy124 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And office space! |
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| ▲ | jmaw 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Gilfoyle was really ahead of the times with Son of Anton. | |
| ▲ | tedd4u 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Three comma guy would now be four comma guy | | | |
| ▲ | cubano 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your dream may be only a prompt away. |
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| ▲ | tyre 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| going to go with "money" and a lot of BS from altman |