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netsharc 6 hours ago

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program).

Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

beart 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As slow as Windows is (very), once you start adding the corporate security tools on top of it (Crowdstrike) and have to deal with a slow and buggy corporate DNS system, it just becomes unusable.

The only way I can do anything timely now is through WSL.

yoyohello13 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, I'm worried about the day when infosec turns it's eye toward WSL. So far they have turned a blind eye, but just wait until someone cooks up an exploit targeting WSL...

fluoridation 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's "just" a Hyper-V VM with some extra drivers to talk to the sibling VM. There isn't much special about it that should worry you too much.

sparqlittlestar an hour ago | parent [-]

Well, I'd like to tell security that

esikich an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

In my experience they just block it in corporate environments.

nxc18 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

True, those things make Windows unusable. They also make the Mac worse, but not so much worse that it isn’t an absolute breath of fresh air compared to any corporate provided Windows device.

ExoticPearTree 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The only way I can do anything timely now is through WSL.

There's your mistake, if do it faster, you're going to get more work assigned. If you do it as Windows speed you get to do less work. Same money.

vachina 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeh. The unix VNC session I connect to is snappier than the client host it is running on.

veber-alex an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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itopaloglu83 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Microslop at its best.

I’m struggling to understand what their end goal is. How much can you half ass everything until your entire company becomes just a nuisance.

Telaneo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Big assumption there that they even have an end goal.

Given that making Windows' market share is more or less impossible to make any bigger at this point (every human on earth has used Windows in some capacity by this point; there are no new markets to expand to, the only option left is to not bleed old users, but that requires significant effort and a good strategy), they've opted to not really bother with Windows and shifted focus completely, leaving Windows out to dry, resulting in this and gestures vaguely at Windows 11 and everything else Windows.

LollipopYakuza 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have had the same thought for years. I guess their monopoly makes them able not to care about quality (and does not depend on it).

A big decision maker, before signing a big contract, will look at the budget and won't care about how good is the UX.

itopaloglu83 3 hours ago | parent [-]

At some point I assume somebody had to explain why the start menu is 40-50 times slower than previous releases. Or they simply vibe-code something and ship it not caring what they created.

tennfown 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

At thsi point i think the current goal is the annoy the tiny ants in the consumer market who complain and are a nuisance , but don’t make them much money compared is the big boys in the enterprise world.

Plasmoid2000ad 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lot's of enterprises are enabling whitelisting of apps launching using some sort of tooling - I think Microsoft provides one, and CrowdStrike etc. It's likely the delay involves a call to a backend application or even sometimes a web server. This would be on top of real-time scanning of every file before it's opened.

Joe_Cool 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Microsoft has AppLocker (since Win7, I think). If you give it a curated whitelist it's actually quite alright and manages well via GPO. (until you manage to lock yourself out ;) Much less overhead than any 3rd party tool that hooks the kernel.

ngc248 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

True ... my company recently started deploying endpoint protection like crowdstrike, beyondtrust, zscalet onto our macs and these have slowed my machine considerably. They somehow spike the CPU just when I am doing something important.

vachina 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Those are basically spyware hooked to every system call.

y-c-o-m-b 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can't even start notepad.exe since upgrading to 11. It complains about a missing DLL. I'm only down to a few pieces of daily-driver software that I absolutely need a non-VM Windows installation for. Once I migrate from those, it'll be a full switch to Linux for me. I've hated Microsoft with a passion for far too long

smusamashah an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To everyone reading this, Win 11 Notepad CAN BE UNINSTALLED.

Old one lives in c:/windows/notepad.exe which you can open with Win+R, type notepad to open good old non-slop non-ai notpead. Or do some registry shenanigans (you can find them online) to bring that one in start menu or make it a default editor.

criddell 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like something is wrong with your system.

My work machine runs Windows 11 and it's fully up to date. Notepad starts pretty much instantly.

maccard 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At my last job I was responsible for 70 windows 11 machines. At my current job it’s 20. These are i7/i9 spec with 64+GB memory and NVMe drives. No endpoint management software, just Intune for device registration.

They all have _very significant _ performance issues out of the box, with very long app startups, and very confusing slowdowns. I am 99% sure it’s windows defender doing an absolute crap ton of work on every single file open, and ignoring file and folder exclusions.

criddell 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I know IT people often aren't given the time to dig into this stuff, but xperf and event tracing should reveal the culprit fairly quickly.

The best resource for this kind of stuff is Bruce Dawson's blog:

https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/etw-central/

maccard 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not IT, I'm' just the senior most engineer in a game studio. Ive got WPA captures that point to windows defender, even with processes and folders excluded. But I have literally no idea what to do with those traces, hence my 99% conviction.

fluoridation 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If it's that bad, why not just disable it?

froindt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The best demonstration of the delay is typing Calc in the Win+R Run dialog. There's a difference between instant and "way faster than Word".

On Windows 7, you could hit enter and immediately start typing numbers and it would work. I have never worked on a Windows 10 or 11 machine where it launches instantly.

I get a similar lag when launching Notepad. Not a huge disruption to the day, but annoying to see on a simple utility that used to be better.

criddell 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That one is a little slower for me too - about 700 ms (it's a difficult thing to time with a stopwatch).

oasisbob 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The iOS app "Is it snappy?" Is great for things like this.

criddell 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That's really cool and what a great idea. Thanks for the recommendation.

diegolas 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

in windows 11 i launch calc from win+r and it opens right when i hit enter. the delay is not from the launch dialog/OS but from the app (i use windows 7 calculator, i've replaced it because i don't like win 10+ calc design)

pelotron 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just give her a little of the ole "works on my machine."

chris_wot 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's nothing. He have Surface Pro laptops, and of course it has Copilot built in. I tried to open an app by typing in a search. On versions without Copilot turned on, instantly finds the app. On a Surface Pro, takes a good 20-30 seconds for it even start the search.

Complete rubbish. Not a single person in the organisation likes the new Outlook.

lelandfe 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The amount of applications on the average consumer's laptop is such a tiny space to search over that there really is no excuse for this being anything other than instant.

iOS and macOS suffer this too, it's like I open search and the operating system awakes from a hangover and makes sure it's wearing pants first

Uzazo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tip: Spotlight searches through all data and can be slow, but there's a separate App Library search that only searches the app names and it's instant.

lelandfe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

One of the first things I do on any Mac device is to disable Spotlight, install and bind Alfred to Cmd-Space, and then change Finder's preferences so that Cmd-F searches the current directory.

chris_wot 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

iOS and macOS aren't even close to the awfulness of search on Windows.

tonyedgecombe 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Although they have just rewritten it so there must have been some problems with it.