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| ▲ | rbtprograms 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | americans pretending they aren't immigrants by using the term expat always cracks me up | | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The terms "expat" and "immigrant" are not synonyms. There is a material semantic distinction in American English. Most Americans that live overseas tend to be expats rather than immigrants. Those two terms don't convey the same meaning. | | |
| ▲ | kelvinjps10 a minute ago | parent [-] | | a person who temporarily or permanently lives and works in a country other than their native country.
I mean, some Mexicans and other latin americans go to the US to make money and buy a home back in their countries. And still by they're not called expats? |
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| ▲ | shermantanktop 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I guess I think of "expat" as a possibly-temporary state where full assimilation is not the goal. American expats also pay American taxes unless they give up US citizenship. Technically of course you are right. | | |
| ▲ | adev_ 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > American expats also pay American taxes unless they give up US citizenship. Practically, they barely pay anything significant. The lower net salary in Europe / Asia associated with rather high local tax means that most Americans citizens oversea barely own anything significant back to the state. However it does remain an annoyance to fill the tax declaration every year: I know several American who chose to give up their citizenahip just to avoid this specific issue. | | |
| ▲ | eblume 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure I follow. I am a US citizen and have never lived abroad, but my understanding is that US Citizens living abroad must still pay the US a full federal income tax. It's graduated/progressive, of course, so the actual percentage may vary, but it should probably be between 15% and 40% of income. Not what I would call small. I don't think they can deduct local taxes, can they? | | |
| ▲ | bnm04 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Many countries have tax treaties with the US, and there’s also the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE), which excludes up to 132.9k of foreign income; so many US citizens abroad will indeed pay no US income taxes. | | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is mostly only true if you have no significant investments. If you have investments, the tax situation is not good as an American even under tax treaties. If you are normal wage slave with limited savings then yes the exclusions mostly work. |
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| ▲ | Rudybega 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's a huge exclusion. The 2026 Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) allows qualifying U.S. expats to exclude up to $132,900 of foreign-earned income from their U.S. federal income taxes. Married couples can exclude up to $265,800 if both spouses work abroad and each meets the eligibility requirements. |
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| ▲ | anjel an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | americans pretending they aren't refugees by using the term expat is almost too ironic. | |
| ▲ | jjtheblunt 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | if you're living where you were born, how can you be an expat? | |
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| ▲ | simojo 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | From what I understand, Spain has their own set of politics worth losing sleep over; perhaps as an expat you won't be as attached though. | | |
| ▲ | crystal_revenge 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most American ex-pats don't really understand that the thing that makes ex-pat life so attractive is that, for most of people's lives, being American in a foreign country has traditionally conferred a wide range of benefits (this is most clearly exemplified by the way Americans living in a foreign country refer to themselves as "ex-pats" not "immigrants"). The ex-pat solution assumes American exceptionalism as its foundation. Historically Americans have benefited from income asymmetry and a fairly wide-spread desire by foreign nations not to cause too much legal trouble for US nationals abroad. I have quite a few friends that do live, quite happily, abroad. But the common pattern for them is a.) fluency in the native language b.) historical association with the country c.) fairly large cash reserves so they can ignore any economic problems these countries are facing. | | |
| ▲ | titanomachy 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Americans didn’t invent the term or the concept of “expat”, colonial Europeans have been doing it in Africa and Asia for centuries. | | |
| ▲ | tbrownaw 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't see the parent comment saying that we did invent it. | |
| ▲ | Quekid5 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | *Brits EDIT: Don't get me wrong, my European nation did a lot of bad shit, but don't put the idea of an "expat" on us. |
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| ▲ | jorblumesea 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | expat is usually synonymous with fire/retire early. most people move to spain or portugal and see their purchasing power multiply. | | |
| ▲ | Xixi 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That sounds more like FIRE / geographic arbitrage than expat in the traditional sense. What people often mean by a "true expat" is something completely different: someone sent abroad by their employer, usually with a generous expatriate package (home-country salary, local allowances, housing, private schooling for children, etc.) More broadly, though, expatriate simply means someone living outside their native country. Ex means "out of", and patria means "native country" or "homeland". It's that simple. So the word itself isn't limited to wealthy retirees or corporate transfers. All immigrants are expatriates, although not every expatriate is necessarily an immigrant. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Most places have their own politics. What differs is how often they come up. As a foreigner you're usually spared the involvement in those discussions because people think you're not interested and don't want your outsider opinion anyway. People also embed themselves in different communities when they move anywhere, even to a different city or state in the same country. It's a clean reset. It doesn't always last forever. I know several people who tried to move somewhere, including internationally, when politics got heated in 2016. Most of them came back eventually with a realization that politics is everywhere, it's just a matter of how much you're embedded into the places it's discussed. | | |
| ▲ | rwyinuse 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Politics is everywhere, but the state of US politics today is exceptionally bad by Western world standards. I hate the government in my country, but their corruption and incompetence is nothing compared to the Trump administration. In that sense most EU countries are a positive upgrade. |
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| ▲ | homerowilson 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I (American) worked in Spain (Cáceres, Extremadura) ~2015-2017 in tech. It was a wonderful experience. Extremely talented, hard-working, and friendly co-workers. Great health-care and education systems. I think since then rising housing prices partially due to migration have become an issue, but it's a really, really nice place. | | |
| ▲ | KAMSPioneer 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Also American, and I'm interested why you praise the education system. I have a child who will be entering the Andalusian system at some point and although it seems better than my Oklahoman system, that is, uh...damning with faint praise. Some of my non-Spanish European colleagues also have commented that the education system is kind of "good not great" especially compared with other Western/Central European countries. However, I understand the Spanish system to be somewhat federated; perhaps the difference between Extremadura and Andalusia would explain the difference in opinion. | | |
| ▲ | com2kid an hour ago | parent [-] | | America just ended a nearly 2 decade experience of failing to teach kids how to read English due to a NZ teacher scamming the English speaking world. So doing better than that isn't too hard. |
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| ▲ | dnautics 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | gotta be ready for the crazy heat in the summers, they don't call it extremadura for nothing. unironically best lodging is rooms that were dungeons in the castle. | |
| ▲ | pvaldes 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To add context Extremadura is a member of the "poor" Spain. To US people could be useful to think on a sort of New Mexico. Pros: Great food, interesting cultural past, only one language to deal with and not complicated accents to grasp (more important that most people think), gorgeous wild areas, uncomplicated people, maybe a little on the introverted side at first, but solid gold after a while. Cons: Risk of poverty sadly high, bigger than many US states (but with better government support and healthcare). Harsh continental climate very hot and very cold. Not for everybody (but US has plenty of places with similar or worse weather). The trains and communication roads are also under-average for the country and many people don't really speak English. In many of the non highly touristic places you can live well if you can adapt to the cons. Housing prices are lower, life expenses cheaper and buying a house should be affordable with a decent job (Don't try this in Barcelona or Madrid). Portugal is close, and is even cheaper, to the point of some people living there and working in Spain. To support the same standard of living in Barcelona, Valencia or Madrid you need to plan in advance, to stomach the stress that unavoidably come with big cities, and earn much more. In Spain if you can speak English well you will be automatically seen as a great researcher. | | |
| ▲ | hylaride 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | More pro: Spain may be one of the best places in Europe to raise kids (culturally, especially), though a good chunk of the country has emptied out of its young people - so it can vary by region. It's a shame that their birth rate has gotten so low. Crime overall is very low, especially if you're not tied directly to it. More cons: You will eventually have to shift to a very different customer service climate and hours. The development levels can vary quite a bit, especially "modern" infrastructure like internet outside of the major cities (maybe that's gotten better in the last 5 years). Bureaucracy of some institutions (government/finance) can be extremely frustrating. | | |
| ▲ | KAMSPioneer 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Regarding internet infrastructure, the fiber optic network seems to be quite robust these days. There are still places where it isn't available, but compared to e.g. the US it's another world entirely. Even small cities typically offer 1 or sometimes 10 Gbps hookups in many areas. Regarding bureaucracy I'm afraid that there has been no such progress. Extremely frustrating that even when I do everything right, I get told to come back another day for my trámite because they just...haven't done it! Sorry! |
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| ▲ | WarmWash 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Apart from being the nexus of the current hot button issue - immigrants and housing costs. | |
| ▲ | geerlingguy 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "The grass is always greener", "the enemy you know", etc. etc. |
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| ▲ | saturn8601 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Man Spain is mentioned as a top destination with expat influencers, youtubers and now even on hn. I get the feeling that something is going to crack at some point. You must be pricing out locals and they can't be happy about that. | | |
| ▲ | indoorfish 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sounds like the locals are just racist then? | | |
| ▲ | megous 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Being a rich fuck used to 5x+ the local median income is not a "race". So it can't be racism. | | |
| ▲ | AnimalMuppet 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I suspect that indoorfish's point is that, in the US, when similar situations happen, and get similar reactions, then accusations of racism fly. | | |
| ▲ | jasonfarnon 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | people in the US complaining about gentrification get called racist? | | |
| ▲ | sailfast 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, not generally. That said, there can be some "Oh yeah - well if you're insinuating that white people are displacing black people then YOU are the racist" which is just... not the same thing. One view of the world may incorporate a significant accommodation and acknowledgement of historical discrimination, enslavement, red-lining, you name it. The other is... technically correct I suppose, but complete horseshit on the merits until we start to see significant, systemic harm going the other direction as a result of race. But that's just, like, my opinion man. | |
| ▲ | defrost 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People in the US stating that black lives matter get called racist. So, yes. | | |
| ▲ | fooqux 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That topic at least involves matters of race though? Not saying you're wrong, just that it's perhaps not the best counter-argument. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The point is that people in the US absolutely do get called racist all the time for all manner of things. The question was asked if some US person might be called racist for having an opinion about gentrification that seemingly has little to do with race, and the answer is yes, yes they have been. |
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| ▲ | lbrito 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Housing is really expensive in Spain and Portugal right now. I live in BC and mid/small cities there are actually more expensive than here | |
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| ▲ | tick_tock_tick 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Why leave: Sick of U.S. politics and the way it directly and indirectly affects us and how difficult it is to escape from it - it’s a major point of conversations with family and friends, it’s on the local radio, local subreddit, local social media pages, etc. I mean so you'll move to Spain and just be horrible ignorant of any issues facing the local population, living in a financial bubble where you've earned significantly move then the them and can ignore any political issues locally. Sure it's "freeing" to just move and stop caring about "politics" and use money to smooth over or move again if anything slightly bothers you. | | |
| ▲ | noisy_boy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | What are you talking about? They will move to Spain and be financially well off means they will be ignorant of local issues and live in a bubble? How did you make that stretch? Sure they may not be very political but that doesn't equate to living in a bubble. People choose to engage with politics at varying degrees, as is their right. Isn't it enough to not having to look over your shoulder fearing you will be a statistic in the long list of atrocities being committed by this government? Having a good quality of life is something to be guilty about?! |
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