| ▲ | pj_mukh 3 hours ago |
| Article mostly cites self-reported studies ie the kids think that the kids are doing alright, which is a different statement from the kids are actually doing alright. Most teachers seeing generational changes are raising five alarm fires around how badly the kids are doing. Actually testing kids is showing a startling reverse Flynn effect [1]. I’m curious what the author has in terms of actual evidence here? [1] https://pure.eur.nl/en/publications/the-negative-flynn-effec... |
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| ▲ | Lerc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Alright covers a broad spectrum of properties. Most teachers have been asking for more resources for decades, warning of the consequences of not doing so. It seems a little on the nose to ignore their warnings and when the consequences manifest opt to blame something else entirely. |
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| ▲ | throwaway85825 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't remember which state it was but they spent 2/3+ of the entire states education budget on one underperming school district. In the end they ended up with new buildings but the scores went down because school spending isn't actually correlated with student success. | |
| ▲ | pj_mukh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is not about resources anymore. What’s especially interesting is that a lot of teachers take a paycut [1] to go teach in private school partly because the kids are better adjusted, rich kids have more comprehensive childcare and don’t need to rely on screens/social media for the gaps in parenting. For a taste of all these details, go on r/Teachers [1]: https://www.ccu.edu/blogs/cags/2011/12/teaching-in-private-s... | | |
| ▲ | Lerc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I encountered something just the other day that mentioned r/Teachers. I can't remember what it was exactly, but there was definitely a huge caveat about it not being a representative sample. There is correlation between socioeconomic status and academic performance, but it is not the be-all-and-end-all. Schools serving lower socioeconomic populations should have vastly higher resources to address the additional challenges. One of those resources, is the number of teachers. A teacher taking a paycut for a different job is not because they want less money, it is because the ratio of what they are paid to the work that is asked of them is better in the lower paid job. That is exactly a resource issue. If you pay a teacher 20% more and ask them to do a job that takes two teachers, then it is unsurprising that they will go for a job that more reasonably asks of them proportional to what they are paid. | | |
| ▲ | pj_mukh 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The problem is, a classroom full of TikTok zombies doesn’t fit into the 20% more work vs. 80% more work dichotomy. It’s simply spending 40 hours a week talking to an (almost literal) wall. It’s money sure, and some teachers who don’t care can keep going. But most who do, would be happy to switch to a place where they can make a difference. This is all a separate conversation to school resources is my point. |
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| ▲ | kian 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It doesn't seem like there's been a precipitous drop in resources compared to the decades of requests and warnings that have led up to this point. So what's different now, if not resourcing? | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Resources have never been higher. Theres an expectation now that the schools will do everything and pay for everything but its never enough. | |
| ▲ | Lerc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm not sure which precipitous less than a decade drop you are referring to, but I would be inclined to think, in the last decade, a period of social isolation and absence of education might have been a factor. |
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| ▲ | arthurbrown 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is growing acknowledgement that this is related to laptop usage in classroom. Countries are recognizing this and rolling back policies, citing PISA rankings. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly0vk77vdko
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jun/15/educa... |
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| ▲ | pj_mukh 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Quoted in your article: “Later this year a ban on mobiles in schools – even for educational use – comes into force.” It’s obvious to most that taking away the laptop while leaving the TikTok will not have the intended effect. | | |
| ▲ | arthurbrown 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nationalized social media bans and restricted device usage while in a classroom are different things. Why would TikTok ever belong in the classroom? Of course if even educational use of laptops is restricted then personal mobile devices would also be. They are already banned in my country. | | |
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| ▲ | Hizonner 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > the kids think [...] Most teachers Random anecdotal claims from population A contradict random anecdotal claims from population B. > I’m curious what the author has in terms of actual evidence here? Well, it can't be any worse than you have, in that the paper you link to doesn't show anything about what causes that negative Flynn effect. It does speculate, and social media is not on even on the authors' list of guesses. Did you have anything relevant? |
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