| ▲ | lifeisgood99 4 hours ago |
| What are North American people doing for replacing contactless payment? Last time I checked, the solution was to use Curve but it only works for Europe. |
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| ▲ | mrbluecoat 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't. GrapheneOS is worth the effort of pulling a card out of my wallet. |
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| ▲ | hparadiz 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's infuriating that they won't do this for non Google Android. It's in the best interest of both the bank and the card owner. Credential theft risk goes down to basically zero when backed by a fingerprint authenticated virtual card. | | |
| ▲ | 627467 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm sure contrats between Google and banks provide the financial guarantees that not open-source project would be able to. Unless governments mandate there's zero interest from banks to put extra effort into building for unpopular solutions | |
| ▲ | jojobas 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Banks don't want the headache of supporting multiple weird phone OSes and it's understandable. As long as they don't require running an apple/google-certified device and OS I don't care. | | |
| ▲ | _carbyau_ an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Banks don't want the headache of supporting multiple weird phone OSes and it's understandable. Commercially, this makes sense. I am surprised that most nations of the whole world are fine with every citizen relying on one of two american companies for their lifestyle interactions though. I would have thought more nations would legislate their banks must support other options for sheer sovereign resilience. | | |
| ▲ | hparadiz 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Commercially, this makes sense. Does it though? The people in this thread are like "just use a card". Well I've done that for years and had my card skimmed, lost, and stolen over the years. The cost wasn't trivial either. The credit card company knocked it off my balance but also lost on sales when I didn't have my card while they issued me a new one. It cost the credit card company actual money in both lost sales and in dealing with the fraudulent transactions. Now if I was allowed to use my rooted Android phone during those years? It would have been locked down tighter than the vast majority of Windows boxes. People forget that one of the value-adds of credit cards in the first place is that suddenly you didn't have to walk around with a big wad of cash. Credit cards gave you that extra level of security. Even if someone stole it, it's useless to them as soon as you make a phone call to the CC company. We can verify a transaction with a yubikey-like secret store on your device that never shares the private key with the operating system and which generates a virtual credit card on the fly. That's literally how Apple Pay and Google Pay already work. So whether a device is rooted or whatever literally doesn't matter. | | |
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| ▲ | jcul 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm in Europe, but I had accepted that I had to do without. I hadn't heard of curve, going to check that out. |
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| ▲ | drnick1 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is no replacement. Strap a credit card to the back of your phone or pay cash. |
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| ▲ | fc417fc802 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Use a solvent to dissolve the plastic from the card then epoxy the extracted antenna and chip innards to the back of your phone case. Problem solved. (I'm only 50% joking, you can actually do this but maybe epoxy isn't the best option.) |
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| ▲ | kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I have these cards I keep in my (RFID-blocking) wallet, one for each credit account. Then I just pull them out and tap to pay. It's super convenient - no app required! |
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| ▲ | Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | What does RFID-blocking wallet do? | | |
| ▲ | ArmadilloGang 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | People cannot steal your card info via proximity to your wallet over NFC if the wallet’s physical barrier blocks the RF signal. | | |
| ▲ | sneak an hour ago | parent [-] | | People can't steal your card info via proximity to your wallet over NFC even without an RF blocking wallet. This is tinfoil hat security cargo culting, like putting tape over your webcam while leaving the laptop's microphone connected (audio from your room is much more useful than 2834823428 frames of your greasy face). |
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| ▲ | mcsniff 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | dang 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you please not post aggressively like this? It's against the site guidelines because it destroys what HN is supposed to be for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. | | | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The person mentioned it like it's a feature for them, but I haven't heard of it being anything other than a marketing gimmick, so I was curious for their perspective. | | |
| ▲ | okanat 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It just has a Faraday cage and blocks radio signals. That's it. |
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| ▲ | carlmr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Garmin pay if you're ok with Garmin is one possibility. |
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| ▲ | lucb1e 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's even available in my country! Never heard of it, would have assumed it's not being sold here. Let's see what that costs when I click the "shop now" button that's front and center > Attention required! > Sorry, you have been blocked > The action you just performed triggered the security solution. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. Thanks cloudflare *handshake* garmin. I suppose I'll stay with chip and pin for now | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They have an app for Android that can do NFC? I thought it was only for their watches. Thanks! |
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| ▲ | OsrsNeedsf2P 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Putting my credit card in my phone case |
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| ▲ | Saris 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Cash for most things, and just use a card like normal otherwise. I don't really see the appeal of contactless payment, pulling a card out really doesn't take much time. |
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| ▲ | mixmastamyk 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Cards are "contactless payment" these days. | |
| ▲ | preisschild 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just having to take your phone with you is quite comfortable. Your phone is probably the pocket-sized item you are unlikeliest to lose. | | |
| ▲ | Saris 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | True, but I also need my license to ride my motorcycle or drive a car, plus cash needs to go somewhere. |
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