| ▲ | Cider9986 4 hours ago |
| To get a sense of the project and its goals I recommend reading this post[1]. Buying a used Pixel is economical, environmental, and likely doesn't support Google. Pixels are the only secure and open android devices that could work for the project and meet the extensive requirements[2]. This is because GrapheneOS takes real steps to protect user privacy and security, not features that degrade security and don't increase privacy. You are going to be doing much more against Google by using GrapheneOS because it comes with 0 google services by default and takes advanced steps to protect you from all apps and services you install. If you are still not willing or able to purchase a Pixel, GrapheneOS has a partnership with Motorola to help them create compatible devices which will be available soon[3]. [1] Privacy and security on computing devices need to become far stronger to protect people from pervasive violations of their rights.
https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2044440381803069778#m [2] https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices [3] https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2028448871374803007#m |
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| ▲ | driverdan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It makes sense that an open source project would focus on one series of phones since their time and resources are limited. That said, Google's hardware is behind their competitors and they've had a lot of problems in the past few years. The Pixel 8 Pro has hardware WiFi problems, the 9 and 10 are both minor updates with prices that are far too high, the 10 is eSIM only, etc. |
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| ▲ | lucb1e 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The Pixel 8 Pro has hardware WiFi problems, the 9 and 10 are both minor updates The prime difference between P8 pro and P9 pro is that the newer one is nearly a usable size (just about fits in a pocket now). The battery also got substantially better in two ways: on mobile data (when you're on someone's WiFi, odds are you're also near a charger) you get 33% longer use time on all variants of the P9 and 55% on the P10 and P10p (9 to 12 and 14 hours, respectively), and hours of use per 30 minutes of charging went up from 4.6 for the P8 to 6.3 for the P9(p) and 6.2 or 7 for the P10 and P10p, respectively The rest is indeed relatively minor but it's not an unwelcome upgrade. Prices didn't change much when buying second-hand 1.5 years after release, when the newest devices are out and nobody cares about the generation-before-last despite >5 years of updates remaining (plus however long you think it's fine without updates) |
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| ▲ | 725686 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Motorola is not mentioned in any of the links. |
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| ▲ | mvdtnz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The Pixel was never sold in my country so it's much more difficult that you think. Even if it was I wouldn't buy it because I don't buy Google products. > If you are still not willing to purchase a Pixel for whatever reason, GrapheneOS has a partnership with Motorola to help them create compatible devices which will be available soon[2]. Ok? Wake me up when that happens. |
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| ▲ | kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The Pixel was never sold in my country Okay, see, that's an important thing to add to your original post. Saves everyone a lot of time. If they don't sell them in your country, it's not "no thank you" as you said, it's "this doesn't apply to me". | | |
| ▲ | mvdtnz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't see how it's relevant. I couldn't possibly have made it any more clear I would not buy a Google device, new or used, because I don't like Google. | | |
| ▲ | prmoustache 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am not sure why you even consider an android based OS then. | | |
| ▲ | okanat 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because AOSP is open source and can be built without Google Play running at the background unlike the other alternative: giving up privacy to yet another big tech Apple. Graphene adds many privacy features on top of regular AOSP. But it only works on phones that has good security features that are not woefully outdated or completely closed-off. Google has complete control over Pixel supply chain and they can make their phones with all bells and whistles for their ends and they behave a bit benevolently and expose the interfaces to the user too. Most Android phones use Qualcomm which doesn't give a flying fuck about giving control or privacy to the users. |
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