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__alexander 4 hours ago

Personally, I see the self-help industry dying because people are starting to realize that it’s just a network of individuals selling products, promoting each other’s products, and creating new avenues to sell more products. I refer to it as the “self-help mafia.” Tim Ferriss kind of created it.

an0malous an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> it’s just a network of individuals selling products, promoting each other’s products, and creating new avenues to sell more products

I've got some bad news for you about the SaaS industry

gdhkgdhkvff 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Considering he named it “the Tim Ferris mafia” makes me think he’s fully aware of that.

watwut an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The sooner people realize that, the better.

digitaltrees 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hard disagree. I have read lots of books, participated in events and training seminars and had profound results in my life. My marriage is better because of what I learned, I am a better father and leader because of what I learned. And the fact that people sell things as part of that growth journey is how they support their ability to share the lessons and techniques.

jasonfarnon 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

"because of what I learned." Do these books/seminars actually teach you something new about being married or a father, that you didn't know before? Like what? I always figured they were more about coaching, persuasion, convincing. To the extent I've scanned them, I never saw any kind of new fact, definitely not about something like being married.

JumpCrisscross 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you share an easy-to-understand example for someone who is similarly highly sceptical of self-help products?

breezybottom 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Well grifters can also be marks. It sounds like you're both.

digitaltrees 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Sounds like you need to learn some healthy communication. If this is how you show up in relation to others your network of collaborators will be small, keep you weak and limit your availability to effectuate your will in the world.

vld_chk 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I do not have data, but from first glance, if anything, the overall demand for self-help and self-improvement increases Y/Y. We can correlate it with a sharp drop in alcohol sales, or raising revenues of therapy industry or fitness industry. YT and podcasts still looming too.

But the form of books … Yes, by some reason it collapses. I personally attribute it not to “people realise those guys are salesmen”, but with the fact that none of really good ideas were produced by such books for a while. Now anyone who really has a new angle or new idea to say — they go straight to YT/podcasts, bypassing writing a book altogether. Because of this, me personally, when I check bookshelves, do not see any really new or interesting idea published in the field.

raincole 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Self-help industry is something that literally can't die. It's in the same category as astrology and technical analysis.

curuinor 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dale Carnegie created it, Tim Ferriss is a century too late to point as origin.

ransom1538 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Dale Carnegie -> Jim Rohn -> Tony Robbins -> [all hacks now]

HatchedLake721 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why is Tony Robbins a hack?

curuinor 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

the man leveraged the fact that his name was the same as Andrew Carnegie (having no relation) to launch a publishing empire. it was hacks from the beginning

MengerSponge 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Highly recommend "If Books Could Kill"

https://bsky.app/profile/ifbookspod.bsky.social

It really is all the same book.

sharadov 2 hours ago | parent [-]

All the writers that I love to hate - hariri, gladwell! Will give it a listen

xKingfisher 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Even worse he changed his name from Carnagey, presumably to deliberately cause confusion.

darth_avocado an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also personally, my self help consumption (across all media) has been dropping lately. Part of it is that quality of content has been worsening over the years. But the part that’s put me off the most is the general burnout I’m facing in life: professional stagnation, uncertain future (will I be employed in a year?), more work, financial pressure, politics upending my life directly etc. Funnily enough I’ve started consuming more content around hobbies, crafts and other fun stuff, which the blog mentions was one of the only two categories that saw growth in sales.

I wonder if that is a reason for the decline rather than AI.

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mmahemoff an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why now though? Based on the sharp decline since 2022 (according to Ferris’s numbers), s/books/chatbots seems like the Occam’s Razor explanation here.

Quarrelsome an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you've giving people way too much credit here. People never start to realise en-masse.

wang_li 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Self help is just education from a book rather than from an in person instructor.