| ▲ | bbbrad 9 hours ago |
| Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight? |
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| ▲ | mullingitover 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| There's no point in spending taxpayer money understanding what may or may not happen in the future, when we already know what will happen: Jesus is coming back. We need to spend on the military for the final battle of Armageddon. ^ Literally the beliefs of the most influential part of the political base of the administration. |
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| ▲ | anon_shill 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is this from Bannon and co.? What is their rationale for being militaristic during a return of Jesus? Wouldn't Jesus not like that very much? | | |
| ▲ | burkaman 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There is no way to know what Jesus would or wouldn't like. Most religious people interpret their chosen text in whatever way best fits their preferences and lifestyle. In this case, they like war, so that means Jesus also likes war: https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/us-troops-were-told-ir.... It is trivial to find Bible verses supporting war if that's what you're looking for: https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-.... | | |
| ▲ | mullingitover 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is known as 'negotiating with the text' and people get extremely mad when you describe what they're doing. |
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| ▲ | steve_adams_86 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think they literally believe it. They ostensibly espouse this for political purposes, but it doesn't appear they believe in any permanent objective or thing other than their own power and profit. | |
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| ▲ | 0xbadcafebee 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not, it's Hegseth and others that are Christian Zionists. This is not "christians who like zionism", it's a specific evangelical sect that interprets global conflicts as literal fulfillments of biblical prophecy. The popular tenants of Christian Zionists include that women should be subservient to men, homosexuals are evil, white christians should rule supreme, the confederates got a bad rap, COVID and global warming are a conspiracy, and the big kicker: armageddon is coming and we must prepare the way for Jesus to rule the earth. In order to do that they need to wage holy war / WW3 so that Jesus can come back, defeat everyone, and make a new Earth and rule over it. This is why Hegseth said he's fighting a holy war, why he has Crusader tattoos, etc. It's the Christian version of Islamic Extremism. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Wilson_(theologian) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee) “He urged us to tell our troops that this was ‘all part of God’s divine plan’ and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ,” the NCO wrote in the email. “He said that ‘President Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth.’" - https://www.military.com/daily-news/2026/03/06/lawmakers-wan... |
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| ▲ | 0xbadcafebee 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Political strategy. Step one of controlling a population is to stop information flow; you can't stop something bad happening if you don't know about it. Since the party in charge thinks climate change is a hoax, all efforts at slowing climate change are therefore bad. So you remove the tools people use to document and respond to climate change, and now everything is fixed, in your world view. |
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| ▲ | ezfe 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because they're scientific instruments to collect data |
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| ▲ | square_usual 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Specifically climate data, which can be used to argue for climate change action. | | |
| ▲ | tetha 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | As the old joke went, the easiest way to not have detected covid cases in the country is to stop testing. Very simple, very effective. | | |
| ▲ | warkdarrior 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not an actual joke, this was Trump's idea during his first term. | | |
| ▲ | jermaustin1 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And not old... literally only 6 years ago. | |
| ▲ | Sabinus 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Another one was when the popular perception was that Obama did more drone strikes than Trump did. In fact, Trump had authorised more than Obama did. Trump had just stopped the reporting of the drone strikes. |
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| ▲ | dionian 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | clintonb 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The current administration doesn’t care about climate change, or believes it’s a hoax. Given this, they see no need to fund research and data gathering that tells them otherwise. |
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| ▲ | francisofascii 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is a charatable interpretation. A more negative take is they are purposely suppressing the evidence. | | |
| ▲ | nom 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is exactly what is happening. Records of environmental data are a huge pain in the ass for those invested in fossil energy and adjacent industries. The truth is hurting business and they seem to be going on a rampage actively killing it at the roots. Stop collecting and recording data, destroy and hide the existing data and close the institutions. |
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| ▲ | exe34 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, they are attacking any and all forms of data collection that can be connected to climate change - even if it's not specifically for climate change. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/may/... | | | |
| ▲ | ActorNightly 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To be fair, the public in large also dgaf about climate change. Honestly, at this point, having natural disasters with destruction and death is probably the only way to make people care. | | |
| ▲ | burkaman 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is not true, most people care about climate change, even in the US (https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/yc...). Maybe you think "if they care then why are they still driving/flying/eating meat/whatever" and I sympathize, but climate change is not an issue that will be solved by individuals taking responsibility, in the same way that wars still happen even when the vast majority of the population oppose them. If you're wondering why they don't at least vote for someone who cares about climate change, I don't know. But claiming people don't care at all is not true and is self-defeating, because it makes people who do care think "I guess I'm in the minority, there's no point in trying". | | |
| ▲ | triceratops 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > If you're wondering why they don't at least vote for someone who cares about climate change, I don't know People are single-issue voters on pointless shit like abortion and bathrooms. Where are all the single-issue climate change voters? | |
| ▲ | ActorNightly 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >I guess I'm in the minority, there's no point in trying Thats exactly how it is. Look at the current politics discourse. Even now, in the presence of ordinary people, there can be a conservative who supports Trump, but you are supposed to be "nice" to them, because its all just political opinions, and those ordinary people are removed from the real destruction of lives that the current administration carried out for many people. Same with global warming. People are far removed from the real effects, so most people just don't actually care. And in the same way that all the anti vaxxers who got covid and urged others to take the vaccine before they died, people need to get hit over the head with reality before they start to care. The only way forward that doesn't involve mass famine/death is some low level societal control that forces people to behave for fear of real consequences. |
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| ▲ | taylortbb 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Honestly, at this point, having natural disasters with destruction and death is probably the only way to make people care We already have them. People just claim they're chance effects with no connection to climate change. The problem with refuting it is that they are chance events, there's no way to definitively say "this was caused by climate change", because it's always possible it would have happened anyways. It's the upwards trend in frequency and severity that we can definitively point and say "that's caused by climate change", but that's too abstract for most people to understand. | |
| ▲ | alphawhisky 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well, it is an El Nino year... | |
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| ▲ | jandrewrogers 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It doesn't make much sense. There are massive gaps in our current climate models because we have almost no data about subsurface ocean dynamics. Many of the assumptions about the oceanic environment in climate models were demonstrated to not match empirical measurement a few decades ago but we don't have enough oceanic data to come up with a coherent model for the observed dynamics. Without a plausible model for these dynamics, any predictions made from climate models have a high probability of being significantly incorrect. These sensor networks were the first step toward collecting some data that would allow us to develop a plausible model for subsurface ocean dynamics. To be clear, we are probably still a couple decades out from this in any case but removing these sensor networks from operation definitely won't help. There are very few efforts to collect this data at scale, I believe this was one of the largest. Most people don't realize how critical subsurface sensor networks are to building accurate climate models. |
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| ▲ | caconym_ 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Russel Vought. Look him up. |
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| ▲ | tjohns 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Dismantling monitoring programs which show evidence of climate change is one of the Project 2025 priorities. Specifically, their plan calls for downsizing the Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research (Mandate for Leadership, Project 2025, p. 676), and breaking up NOAA (p. 674), because they view these agencies as a source of "climate alarmism" and that "the preponderance of its climate-change research should be disbanded." |
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| ▲ | cyberax 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "See no evil, hear no evil" - literally. |
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| ▲ | mort96 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's in the republican party's interest to ensure there's as little data as possible showing any form of climate anomalies. Their party platform is that climate change is not real, and Trump is personally a big fan of coal power. |
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| ▲ | goatlover 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | And it's not even a secret, Trump, his officials and supporters all say this. |
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| ▲ | jordanb 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because they're Woke sensors that are collecting woke lies about the Chinese Climate Change Hoax of course. Also Accuweather paid a lot of money for this president and they are very interested in not having the US government compete against them with free, high-quality weather forecasting. |
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| ▲ | hydrolox 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| do you expect there to be logic behind it? |
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| ▲ | JohnMakin 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | I hope there isn't, because if there is, it has a lot of implications that are unpleasant to think about. | | |
| ▲ | 20after4 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Best start thinking about those implications because it is unwise to underestimate what is coming. | |
| ▲ | insane_dreamer 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Vought, Miller and others in the Admin, are evil, but not stupid. This is intentionally destroying the system to make it very difficult for a future administration to get it going again. |
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| ▲ | pvaldes 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Why they do this? Because it damages USA. As other thousands of nonsensical choices in the last years, America always, consistently, ends scammed milked, and holding the shorter straw. Everything in this government is designed specifically to the inch to humiliate and destroy US. Acting exactly like foreign enemy agents for fun and profit. Or maybe because it could be used (in theory) to register submarine's position. Or maybe somebody expects to benefit from the climate change in some way, and couldn't care less if half of the planet became inhabitable in the process. There aren't many other reasonable explanations. |
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| ▲ | cactacea 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Science is evil and must be destroyed at all costs. |
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| ▲ | NewJazz 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-exec... | |
| ▲ | groundzeros2015 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Applying even an ounce of argumentative empathy will make you more convincing and psychologically healthier. | | |
| ▲ | arbitrary_name 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | it is extremely difficult to do in cases like this. again, why are we pulling the sensors? why not leave them in place and stop paying for maintenance? why not find alternate funding mechanisms? because we know who these people are, and what their motives are. they show us time and and time again. empathy is something to be used against us. | | |
| ▲ | groundzeros2015 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well. Even if you want to attribute a bad motive that would give more clarity. Maybe the people involved in these projects have expressed disagreement with the admin, so they don’t want to pay them. What’s so important about these particular sensors that any change in resourcing is a categorical evil? |
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| ▲ | caconym_ 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How would you explain it? It seems either entirely ideological on the part of its architects, cynically designed to appeal to a political base that has been inculcated with that ideology, or cynically designed to enrich its architects' political and business allies under cover of appealing to a political base that has been inculcated with that ideology. Possibly some combination of those three. But the core issue is opposition to and misrepresentation of scientific consensus, on the part of an administration that has referred to its political
opponents as "the enemy from within". |
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| ▲ | SilverElfin 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s to avoid collecting data that would point to major climate change issues. Things like disruption of currents that circulate across oceans. It’s really a dishonest move. We already paid to have this network of sensors, and they’re supposed to run for another 20 years. Instead they will spend 2 years visiting all this infrastructure that we have in place, and pulling it out of the oceans. |
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| ▲ | exe34 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Any data that can even remotely be tied to the climate could be used against the Turd Reich. The Fuhrer cannot allow it. |
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| ▲ | shimman 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sure, it's to punish Trump's political opponents. That's all there is to it. Liberals politicians tend to support scientific endeavors, Trump wants to punish them. Don't make it more complicated than it actually is. |
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| ▲ | hdgvhicv 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | For simple minded people like Trump and his followers yes. For the ones pulling his strings they have motives and reasons beyond the idiots they put in as a figurehead. |
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| ▲ | dgellow 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Im not sure if you know but the current US government is very much anti-science |