| ▲ | dyauspitr 2 hours ago |
| Whatever, let it happen. Humans working on anything other than exactly what they want to do is stupid. The few will eventually have to give the masses the necessities at some point though that can happen in one of two ways, from the very beginning or wrested forcefully after a painful era. Both are better than the current paradigm of what is essentially slavery with extra steps. A world where a human can work exactly on whatever they’re passionate about or not work at all if they don’t want to is the ideal. |
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| ▲ | oh_my_goodness 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Without jobs, and after our savings run out, we will be homeless people. Then, after that, we can try to bargain for ... whatever homeless people get in this society. It doesn't look like much to me. Call it 'basic income' if that helps. |
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| ▲ | rogerrogerr 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If I’m one of the six people who ends up with all the money and controlling all the robots, why do I want your 3 bed 2 bath house in Tennessee? Trying to take it from you will only make you riot. It’s not exactly a bright outlook, but I do think we in the west are likely to be not-worse, on average, than we are now. Of course, your average HN denizen is much better off than average. I think there’s room for our standard of living to fall precipitously. | | |
| ▲ | whatever1 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You will need electricity, water you will be producing waste etc. in your Tennessee house. Why would someone who owns all of the power and resources share with you? Really I don’t see any playable alternative other than near complete annihilation of human race. It’s very similar to a nuclear apocalypse. Very few get to survive. | | |
| ▲ | qsera 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >Why would someone who owns all of the power and resources share with you? Ideally governments will see to it. This also assumes that governments have a much larger army of robots than any private individual. Just like how governments makes it illegal to own firearms, it will be illegal to own certain class of robots with combat capability.. Thus governments (the people really/ideally) will see to it that everyone will be comfortable with minimum amount of work utilizing the robots. One can dream! | |
| ▲ | pastel8739 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Realistically though, if there are some humans left, they are going to want to live in a society. Humans are fundamentally social and I think the people in charge would eventually realize this. But then again rich people are not normal, so maybe not |
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| ▲ | oh_my_goodness 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Bruh. This has nothing to do with like Elon coming and taking the house away. This is just plain old reality. Without income or savings, people can't afford houses. How would they pay the property taxes? Can't maintain the house. The house gets repossessed or sold for taxes. This happens all the time. Nobody swoops in and saves those people. Also, hang on. Will we be "not worse" or will our standard of living "fall precipitously"? Those feel different. |
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| ▲ | aidenn0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How will the people working on exactly what they want to eat? |
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| ▲ | mc32 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I think everyone who is able should earn their keep. From ants to lions, to survive and live, even if in meager spurts they must put in some work. |
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| ▲ | supertroop an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | In all likelihood you will end up more like a Syrian refugee than mr outdoor survivor manly man. | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well yes, that how it has always been. But if robots do the labor we don’t have to abide by that nonsense anymore. It’s a paradigm shift. I realize we’re probably not going to see it in our lifetimes but that will be the norm in the future. Also that extremely ingrained mindset of earning your keep is exactly what keeps most of the world working hard while the elite jetset and live a life of pleasure. | | |
| ▲ | BobbyTables2 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | More than a mindset, it also takes quite a bit of money to live in a permanent vacation 24/7, even modestly. Aside from the income, employment also has a way of occupying one’s time. Without that, one would often spend additional funds on various forms of entertainment (books, movies, crafts, travel, etc.)… | | |
| ▲ | mc32 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Without direction or a pull in life people tend to self-destruct. Even the wealthy are susceptible to this. Hollywood nepotites are a nice example: they live off their parents wealth or easily acquired money and self-destroy themselves. They are not engaging in higher pursuits but rather basic degeneration. Not all of course; some do good, productive things. | | |
| ▲ | JackMorgan a minute ago | parent [-] | | It's easy to point to high profile nepotites but I've known plenty of folks from all classes who have self-destructed. It's hardly limited to those with lives of leisure. |
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| ▲ | sosomoxie 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Only if wealth will be evenly distributed, otherwise you're just enriching someone else. | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Would you accept "fairly" distributed instead of "evenly"? I think it's fair to say that some jobs do actually deserve to be compensated more highly? Jobs that require special skills and training, or require taking on more responsibility? I don't think the problem is that some work earns different amounts of money. To me it seems that the problem is how much wealth is concentrating in such few hands, because the people doing the work are not being compensated fairly | | |
| ▲ | maest 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "fair" involves a value judgement and requires a moral system.
"even" is pure mathematics. > I think it's fair to say that some jobs do actually deserve to be compensated more highly? Agreeing with that is easy. Agreeing with which jobs should be compensated more highly is hard. Because everyone has different morality systems. > To me it seems that the problem is how much wealth is concentrating in such few hands I know people who strongly believe Bezos and other billionaires are being <fairly> compensated for the value they've brought to their customers via their businesses. | | |
| ▲ | mc32 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Fairness can also be mathematical. Fair chances. No special treatment. |
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| ▲ | sosomoxie 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I would prefer "evenly" but "fairly" would be better than what we have now. If AI and robots are going to make infinite progress and replace all labor, then I definitely would want "evenly". |
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