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| ▲ | jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > ... through to theory of mind and the dream of making silicon think. I think part of your naiveté was thinking this goal was likely to turn out as a net benefit for humanity. Maybe it eventually will. But the current scenario was always the most likely scenario for machines rivaling or surpassing humans in intelligence. | |
| ▲ | zelphirkalt 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well, and now with the push towards AI slop and letting agents do work for you, it is even less about creativity and talent. You can't even chase trends in libraries while still being clever about it any longer, you gotta chase more and more braindead ways of getting code generated based on tons and tons of mediocre code found online, gobbled up by big tech without the original creator s' consent. | | |
| ▲ | zozbot234 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think that plenty of 'nerds' would very much disagree about that. Steering agents effectively is something that can take massive amounts of creativity and talent and be quite helpful wrt. the final result. There's no real analogue of this in traditional programming. | | |
| ▲ | marmarama 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sure there's an analogue. It's being the tech lead of a team of junior to mid level developers. You design roughly what the solution should look like, split it into reasonable sized tasks so they don't go off the deep end, advise them on some of the details, then assign them the tasks and let them get on with it, keeping an eye on what they're doing, reviewing their output, and course correcting them when they go wrong. Just like with a team of humans, you have to use your judgement as to how much supervision they need individually and how large a task you can give them without them going off the rails. | | |
| ▲ | anygivnthursday 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Thats my thought as well, LLM agents put you in the role of a (often micromanaging) tech/team lead of a small team, but the speed and fast feedback loop makes it look different. | | |
| ▲ | fragmede an hour ago | parent [-] | | Oh it's different alright. Yell at a human employee to tell them they're a fucking loser enough times and at best they'll quit on you. The way some people talk to their LLM is ghastly. |
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| ▲ | jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes. As AI improves every white collar job becomes a management job. With the previous conception of an Individual Contributor role disappearing. | | |
| ▲ | anygivnthursday 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | And isnt that management job also tomorrow's disappearing IC role? A management agent seems quite possible to me. | | |
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| ▲ | eequah9L 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hm, on each interview since ever, every time the inevitable "where do you see yourself in X years" question popped up, I was like, I have no ambition of getting promoted to managers, if that's what you mean. I like coding. I want to keep coding. I can advise juniors if _that's_ what you mean. But I want to code. And here I am. Coding is becoming management in front of my eyes. Meh :-| |
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| ▲ | pjmlp 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure there is, offshoring, now the chat window is with my computer instead on the other side of the planet. Not everyone wants to be a team lead not doing coding any longer. | | |
| ▲ | tripledry 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also, I'd rather lead a team of humans that I can interact and talk with in real life instead of a team of bots. |
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| ▲ | jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How so? The models get better and better at understanding the intent of a prompt and doing more useful work with less intervention. | |
| ▲ | nearlyepic 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You keep telling yourself that. |
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| ▲ | jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The problem was very few nerds realized this was the most likely outcome as they devoted themselves to improving machine intelligence. | | |
| ▲ | lossyalgo an hour ago | parent [-] | | And yet even more nerds than ever are devoting themselves to AI. I just wonder - to what end? |
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