| ▲ | h4kunamata 21 hours ago |
| Yet they use it, they do not really care, they even install Windows games that requires kernel level spyware read anti-cheat. There are Linux distros that are newbie friendly and looks like Windows. An end user that does not depend on Adobe, if you are still using that for whatever reason, they have no excuse to don't move to Linux distro OS. |
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| ▲ | Cider9986 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| People don't know about the stuff you're describing. They use the OS that comes with their PC or is the one everyone else uses. |
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| ▲ | Animats 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This may be changing in Europe. Entire governments are fed up with Microsoft. | |
| ▲ | Neywiny 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ^^^^^ https://xkcd.com/2501/ Just like how Linus from LTT (just trust me bro on the source) said one day he needed a tool (hammer?) so he walked into the hardware store, found what looked like a hammer, and bought it. End of journey. And then he finally realized how a regular person buys tech. Most people do not care, do not know they should care, and do not care enough to know if they should care enough. | | |
| ▲ | wincy 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah but they could have gotten a Makita XWT15Z 18V LXT Lithium Ion Brushless Cordless Impact Hammer instead? (This is like my niece buying a $5000 Alienware to play Roblox because she thinks she “needs a gaming PC”) | | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | At least she can play Minecraft with shaders. | | |
| ▲ | amlib 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | I bet that $5000 PC came only with a 3050 and some high end shaders lag on it lol |
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| ▲ | m463 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | palm hammers are kind of cool, but they require air. Sort of like how most water cooling requires RGB. ;) |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ignorance isn't a good excuse. If you do backbreaking work in the worst shoes and complain about your foot hurting, you might want to start shoe shopping. | | |
| ▲ | yndoendo 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Shoe shopping and learning about new / different technology are not equivalent. Shoes have a near uniform interface that is easily learned by parents or trial and error. Loading an alternative OS is foreign to most people. People learn from others the best. Teaching others is the only means for them to realize there are better solutions than sticking with techo-fascist Microsoft. I'm say this as someone that grew up on MS-DOS and used Windows OS up to Windows 7. After personal exploration, other OSes actually are easier and more stable. You now have to pay me to use Windows OS. Microsoft is the baddy. | | |
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| ▲ | themafia 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > they do not really care What would their choice be anyways? It's like saying "yet people still die, they do not really care, they even engage in activities which hasten their deaths!" |
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| ▲ | stodor89 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > they have no excuse That's irrelevant, because they don't owe you an excuse to begin with. |
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| ▲ | noah34 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| good luck getting ol' grandma to flash her desktop with Fedora/equivalent |
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| ▲ | willis936 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Flash it for her. The result will be a more stable (in terms of not shitting the bed randomly one day or changing the entire UI) and decluttered portal to whatever website she uses it for. | | |
| ▲ | lenerdenator 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | Let me provide you a preview of how this will go: "You moved my Chrome. I liked my Chrome. Put it back. I can't get to the Facebook. I want to talk on the Facebook and I can't because you moved my Chrome." | | |
| ▲ | arcfour 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 1. It's probably not hard to put her Chrome back where it was and set her homepage to Facebook. 2. These users wouldn't be the people referred to by the article though, right? | |
| ▲ | sndgndgndgndy 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Someone who is 75 years old today was 49 years old at the peak of the dotcom craze, and is probably a lot more computer literate than you're giving them credit for. What you're saying might have been true 20 years ago, but it isn't today. | | |
| ▲ | mafuy 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh no. Not at all. My mother would say "You moved my facebook" when she could not find Chrome. These people exist. | |
| ▲ | lenerdenator 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, no. Maybe in the circles that we run in here on HN but Linda Q. Senior worked as a paralegal 25 years ago and is still using the email her ISP gave her in 2003. She asks her son to fix the wifi and doesn't update her iPad for months at a time. She just found out about Reddit within the last three years. She gets frustrated and clicks the mouse a bunch of times when a system doesn't respond to her input quickly. She doesn't really grasp the concept of an "operating system", just that the device runs some software. Changing the OS she uses is like tossing a flashbang grenade at her while she's sitting on the couch. |
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| ▲ | wpm 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fedora is quite capable of doing absolutely nothing but opening Chrome and going to Facebook. | | |
| ▲ | lenerdenator 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And it looks completely different from Windows. The icon is in a different spot. The task bar looks different. DOA. | | | |
| ▲ | hurtigioll 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | can you lock fedora down such that a few bad clicks dont disable the desktop manager and boots it into the terminal? this is the real problem with Linux on the desktop for non-power users | | |
| ▲ | SXX 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you talking of users who dont install their own software and just use browser only then Linux was better for them for decade. Now you can even install something with read-only system partition with snapshots so not even a power outage can corrupt anything. For non-power users who do need to install something it was never perfect, but now these immutable distributions are here. They have their own downsides though. | |
| ▲ | opan 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Guessing this is just a hypothetical, but if you really can do that (disable the DM via the GUI by accident), I'd be curious. If you told me to do that on purpose, my first instinct would be to uninstall the package. | |
| ▲ | blahlabs 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Which few bad clicks would put a fedora install in that state? | | |
| ▲ | SXX 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you do have permissions to install packages you can end up with a system in messed up state pretty easily. 1 - Enable wrong ROMFusion because you need these damn video codecs for VLC. I have like 20 years of Linux experience and I still messe up Fedora in 2025 trying to make video work. 2 - Just forget that big update going in background and shutdown system when not appropriate. Boom. On Windows its just much harder to accidentally do it. Only solution is really distros with immutable root and snapshots. | | |
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| ▲ | imp0cat 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I guess you could use something like Fedora Silverblue if you feel like doing some initial explaining. |
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| ▲ | TacticalCoder 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > good luck getting ol' grandma to flash her desktop with Fedora/equivalent My kid's grandma (my wife's mom) brought me one Windows laptop too-many to fix "because there were ads everywhere". I confiscated her laptop (I'm now using Linux on it) and had her buy a Chromebook. People aren't using Windows under my watch / friends don't let friends/family use that mediocre piece of turd that Windows is / etc. | | |
| ▲ | noah34 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | to be honest i forgot chromebooks exist and now that you mention them i think they're the best solution for anyone whose computer is simply a medium to access a web browser |
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| ▲ | LeFantome 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| “No excuse” |
