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| ▲ | simonw 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | How do you mean? I'm quoting the API list prices for Fable, at it's $10/million input and $50/million output (and $1/million for cache hits on input). | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | List price is not paid price and, as Anthropic has shown, initial list price is going to rise. Do you have pricing, paid by businesses, plesae provide the contracts that prove you assertion that this pricing holds true, or are we supposed to believe you? | | |
| ▲ | simonw 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm afraid I don't understand the question. Anthropic have prices they charge for their models. These prices are what you pay if you use the API, and they are also what you pay if you are an "enterprise" customer - generally any company with 150+ employees. I haven't seen Anthropic raise the prices of an existing model after it has launched. They sometimes raise prices when they ship a model - Fable is $10/$50 where Opus 4.8 is $5/$25. They also have monthly subscriptions for individuals, which are a notoriously good deal. THOSE are definitely less trustworthy and predictable than the API list prices, since the subscription allowed quotas can and have changed in the past. What am I missing here? | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you know what an enterprise is? Are you an enterprise? Do you know what enterprise pricing is for these models and the associated legalese around the models? Is your experience the same as an enterprise? How can anyone take what you, as a person, be the same as a business, both for pricing or compliance or governance or anything else? And why should we trust you for if we are a business who might want to do any business with Anthropic? | | |
| ▲ | simonw 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Anthropic's enterprise pricing has been thoroughly covered over the last few weeks. I've talked to plenty of people who are paying those prices. You can chose to trust me or not based on my track record. From your posting history it looks like you have a whole lot more relevant experience with enterprise software deals than I do. Have you learned anything interesting about how Anthropic pricing works? | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Simon can you show that? Like, do you have proof? >You can chose to trust me or not based on my track record. Mind you, when people challenge you here, you ask for the same thing, like you ask them for public proof. Why do you have a different standard when its asked of you? If you have asked for others for proof, provide it. You have made the claim, support it. | | |
| ▲ | lunchbucket 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | They told you what they know. Maybe there's enterprise contracts with different prices, maybe there aren't - but evidently this person either isn't aware or can't disclose what they know, and it seems like it's the first one, so what do you want from them? | |
| ▲ | simonw 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which claim are you talking about here? | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which claim is Simon talking about? And how does that validate what Simon is talking about? Like we can talk about thing as they are, given the incentive structures that may or may not exist, but lets not like all of this is abstract or impartial. You are not not someone who is commenting from a source of objective truth. Nor are you looking at every contract that is singed and has some type of insight. Regardless of if you are being paid or not, you have a bias. And that bias isn't called out nor is it something that you deal with as to the results that you see. Or you do... Just be honest. | | |
| ▲ | simonw 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have genuinely no idea what you are talking about at this point. I said that my session would cost $12.11 at standard Anthropic prices, based on using AgentsView to calculate cost against tokens used. I further asserted that Anthropic charge enterprise customers those rates. You kicked off a lengthy thread which I tried to follow but eventually lost track of the point you were making and/or the questions you were asking. And now you're talking about bias and I don't know where that came from either. | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon an hour ago | parent [-] | | Can you prove that a single contract is paid via that rate? Like, the token rate assumes the rate that you assert and not whats actually paid. Do you have proof that your rate is the same from anyone else? Your bias is that there is no idea of enterprise pricing, that you, Simon Wilson is the experience that anyone experiences, and what that is, that your experience is anything that should be validated. | | |
| ▲ | simonw an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Are you worried that the price for enterprises would be higher or lower than the $12.11 I quoted? I'll grant that it could be lower if enterprises negotiate bulk discounts, though the stories I've seen suggest that's not happening, for example this one: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/anthropic-changes-pr... I think higher prices are very unlikely. Do you think I'm wrong about that? There are a couple of documented ways you could pay more. Anthropic charge 10% extra for "US-only inference" https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing#dat... - and you can also pay more for "fast mode", though I don't see a quoted price for Fable for that yet (just prices for Opus): https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing#fas... | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >I think higher prices are very unlikely. Do you think I'm wrong about that? Yes, I don't think you are objective, nor do I think you care about objectivity, you care about what confirms your prirors and you have issues dealing with anything past that. Because, frankly, you do not have the ability to assess anything associated with AI. You are biased towards... and you manufactur.... but past that cool, we disagree. But 100% of who you are is supporting Anthroptic and you cannot take all of your effort to tell people why that might be wrong because... | | |
| ▲ | simonw 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't understand what you mean by "objective" here. You're welcome to believe that the pricing I quoted is low and enterprise companies pay more than that, despite the abundant evidence I've provided in this thread. It sounds to me like you think I'm biased towards Anthropic, despite me highlighting how their model charged $12 for a two line CSS change due to it being "relentlessly proactive". (I also called their behavior "egregious" just yesterday: https://twitter.com/simonw/status/2064936762099789960) |
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| ▲ | peteforde an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You sound very much like you need a long walk and/or a long hug. Please go touch some grass. | | |
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| ▲ | solenoid0937 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What a bizarre comment. simonw is well known and widely respected. | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | To you, if you have specific issues with what I said, I would love to address them, rather than assuming that Simon is always right. Cause let me tell you... | | |
| ▲ | solenoid0937 an hour ago | parent [-] | | You're being bizarrely conspiratorial and litigious. Simonw explained very clearly how pricing works, and you can learn this for yourself as well. | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon an hour ago | parent [-] | | That should be a pricing model that we all have access to. You are more than able to provide that pricing model. Being litigious, assumes that I have taken legal action, which I have not, so be better with your words. | | |
| ▲ | solenoid0937 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There is a pricing model everyone has access to, it's the API pricing model, and it's what simonw quoted. How hard is that to understand? | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That is not how enterprise pricing works. Not everything gets the same API model, because not everyone has the same unit economics. But lets make the sane underlying assumptions, does your business work? |
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